Anyone tried lockwired banjo bolts on their M30 oil rail?

RonW · Post by **RonW** » Jan 21, 2006 12:32 PM

This fellow sells banjo bolts drilled for locking wire. Looks good to me. Has anybody actually tried either the idea or the product itself?

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Mark 88/M5 Houston · Post by **Mark 88/M5 Houston** » Jan 21, 2006 12:50 PM

I've seen those for sale. Seems like a good idea to me considering the damage from a loose banjo bolt. Nothing on my current land bound vehicles is safety wired, the 170 is a different story. I used to do a lot on racing cars and motorcycles. Remember to budget for the safety wire (if not included) and pliers if you want it to look neat and tidy.

DMNaskale · Post by **DMNaskale** » Jan 21, 2006 1:06 PM

I got a couple of sets from him, the B35 I am putting back together right now will be my first use of them. They look good, he provides everything needed to do the job including instructions. Previously I had fabricated some little wrap-around washer/locks from thin aluminum, but these seem like a better solution, or at least simpler in that I can just send him a fair price and save myself the time in making the little washer devils. Safety wire is a proven solution if properly done.

Patrick McHugh · Post by **Patrick McHugh** » Jan 21, 2006 2:26 PM

Mark, are you an A&P or a pilot? Or both?

Peete · Post by **Peete** » Jan 21, 2006 3:01 PM

[QUOTE="Patrick McHugh"]Mark, are you an A&P or a pilot? Or both?[/QUOTE]

Actually we are AMTs now. Aircraft Maintenance Technician.
Safety wire is so last century. We use safety cable to hold together the big high bypass hoovers. I forgot the name of the company who makes them.
Cables are quicker to install in most places but they aren't as strong as good 'ol .032.

Mark 88/M5 Houston · Post by **Mark 88/M5 Houston** » Jan 21, 2006 4:40 PM

Working on my private ticket very intermittently. ~_~

Not an A & P, but my instructor/mechanic will inspect and sign off most all my work.

Got a call from him today and he just got signed off to instruct in this airplane today.

I cant wait to log some L-29 time along with my 170 & 172 hours.

Rich Euro M5 · Post by **Rich Euro M5** » Jan 21, 2006 7:20 PM

[QUOTE="Mark 88/M5 Houston"]Working on my private ticket very intermittently. ~_~

Not an A & P, but my instructor/mechanic will inspect and sign off most all my work.

Got a call from him today and he just got signed off to instruct in this airplane today.

I cant wait to log some L-29 time along with my 170 & 172 hours.

[/QUOTE]

Mark,

You should get with it and finish your private by flying as often as you can. When you don't have many hours, you haven't built your skills to the point of things being intuitive. Everytime you take a substantial break in training your skills atrophy and you must relearn some things.

I'm probably going to finish up my Commercial Ticket later in the year. I only need to buid some PIC night time, do the prep, take the written and check ride. Should be a piece of cake compared to the Instrument Rating I added over 10 years ago. I'm not looking forward to doing an Instrument Competency ride. It'll probably take me longer to get my instrument skills back than it will to get ready for the Commercial checkride.

About the chance to fly the L-29. Sounds like fun, you'll probably only be about 10 miles behind the plane.

Rich

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Patrick McHugh · Post by **Patrick McHugh** » Jan 22, 2006 1:44 AM

I agree with Euro M88. I did my private license in the same manner, flew every few weeks, and it felt like i was taking three steps foward and two back each time. The next summer, i took out a loan and flew every single day, all day. I did the Instrument in three weeks, then i did the commercial concurrently with the CFI-A, and the CFI-I. The crash course method was 100% more productive, and cost effective. BUT i would strongly reccomend you rent or fly with a friend for a while before you attempt single pilot IFR or a private student. You would be suprised how much you still have to learn after a checkride. I sometimes scare myself looking back at how little i knew and was flying an airplane all alone. Give me a buzz if you ever need advice or get stumped!

k wronski · Post by **k wronski** » Jan 22, 2006 1:07 PM

BMW now supplies the replacement banjo bolts for the cam oil supply rail with loctite already on the threads if you have concerns about them loosening up.
I replaced the originals 3yrs. ago when I rebuilt the head on my car and they're still secure.

tomarocca · Post by **tomarocca** » Jan 22, 2006 1:27 PM

BMW uses Loctite on their replacements.
NOTE: use Loctite BLUE; NOT RED
RED is an epoxy that will never come off.

RonW · Post by **RonW** » Jan 22, 2006 1:38 PM

k wronski wrote:BMW now supplies the replacement banjo bolts for the cam oil supply rail with loctite already on the threads if you have concerns about them loosening up.
I replaced the originals 3yrs. ago when I rebuilt the head on my car and they're still secure.

You have to make sure the holes are clean before installing them to get the locking benefits.
The drilled ones I was asking about are the new kind- they have the thread lock installed. The main benefit for me is that with the locking wire, a visual inspection is all you need to know they aren't loose. In fact, the fact that they're lockwired is good enough for me.

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c_spargo · Post by **c_spargo** » Jan 22, 2006 1:54 PM

Funny you should mention it.

Here's pics of my recently safetywired banjo bolts. I've got two spares if anybody wants me to drill them for you. I'm considering putting a ziptie or something (or perhaps another piece of wire) to keep the wire from vibrating against the tube itself, I'll probably wait and see if it's a problem first.

http://www.bluewaterdirect.com/images/5 ... ywire1.jpg
http://www.bluewaterdirect.com/images/5 ... ywire1.jpg
http://www.bluewaterdirect.com/images/5 ... ywire1.jpg
http://www.bluewaterdirect.com/images/535/pistons.jpg

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RonW · Post by **RonW** » Jan 22, 2006 2:56 PM

cspargo wrote:Here's pics of my recently safetywired banjo bolts.

Maybe you meant...?

http://www.bluewaterdirect.com/images/5 ... tywire.jpg
http://www.bluewaterdirect.com/images/5 ... ywire3.jpg

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DMNaskale · Post by **DMNaskale** » Jan 22, 2006 3:03 PM

BMW now supplies the replacement banjo bolts for the cam oil supply rail with loctite already on the threads if you have concerns about them loosening up.

I am most likely a wee bit OCD afflicted, and the loctite might do the job, but if I am going to get any sleep at night I have to know there is something besides a little blue goo holding those things in. Considering that they are banjo bolts run through a hollow partially crushed tube with hot pressurized oil pumping through them and they will ruin your valvetrain if they come loose, a little mechanical locking action is cheap insurance.

c_spargo · Post by **c_spargo** » Jan 22, 2006 3:20 PM

[QUOTE="cspargo"]Here's pics of my recently safetywired banjo bolts.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE="RonW"]Maybe you meant...?

http://www.bluewaterdirect.com/images/5 ... tywire.jpg
http://www.bluewaterdirect.com/images/5 ... ywire2.jpg
http://www.bluewaterdirect.com/images/5 ... ywire3.jpg[/QUOTE]

Right....

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Jan 22, 2006 8:01 PM

I installed them the last time the valves were adjusted. I was able to remove one of the old bolts with my fingers. As far as I know everything is OK I'll find out next time the valve cover is off.

Mike W. · Post by **Mike W.** » Jan 23, 2006 12:10 AM

I use red locktite and I've never had one come loose that I locktited. And my 535 has 113K
on it since I put the head together. With red you get some adhesion even if it isn't all that
clean, with blue it does have to be pretty clean.

Contrary to another post, red locktite is not an epoxy, it is a single part threadlocker, not
a 2 part.

Walt · Post by **Walt** » Jan 23, 2006 1:06 AM

I'm considering putting a ziptie or something (or perhaps another piece of wire) to keep the wire from vibrating against the tube itself, I'll probably wait and see if it's a problem first.

I doubt you'll have an issue. I wired mine 4-5 years and have transferred them twice.
The bar shows no wear.

Walt

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Anyone tried lockwired banjo bolts on their M30 oil rail?

Anyone tried lockwired banjo bolts on their M30 oil rail?