"Original" Black on Black value.

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"Original" Black on Black value.

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Everything else being equal, what's the extra value added to the B-on-B E28 ///M5?
Would it be best expressed as a percentage or in $,$$$.$$?

Several of these recent posts are what triggered this question.
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For an original Canadian car? Compared to the value placed on overall condition, history and maintenance records, I think interior color is pretty low on the scale for most buyers. So my guess is that if all other variables were factored out, there would be at most only a small premium for an original black/black M5 compared to an identical US-spec black/beige. Maybe 5-10%?

For a modified US car, I'd guess zero change or perhaps a negative depending on the condition of the leather. Black sure looks like crap a lot sooner then beige does if not in perfect condition...

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"Original" post, including the title, have been edited.

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I don't think it should add any value, personally. I'd rather have Natur. It shouldn't be used as a reason to price a car outrageously.
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Was there a difference on the "original" window sticker price between the Natur and Black?
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1st 5er wrote:Was there a difference on the "original" window sticker price between the Natur and Black?
No.

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wkohler wrote:I don't think it should add any value, personally. I'd rather have Natur. It shouldn't be used as a reason to price a car outrageously.
This has been discussed repeatedly over the years.
As a black car owner I think this is something a buyer would have to be searching for. And because of the rarity then yes a black interior car could possibly command a higher price.
If I was selling my car then I would certainly market it as a black interior car and would expect a somewhat higher price because any potential buyer would be seeking that uniqeness.
I have been searching for these cars and so far have found about 12 or so of the 30 including 2 that are for sale right now.

As I jokingly say to everyone who pooh pooh's this "your just jealous because you don't have one". :laugh:
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Post by MicahO »

I do agree that the original rarity of the option adds something to the resale value today - for someone who is looking for that particular option. But that becomes a very personal issue.

Personally, I'm not a fan of leather at all. Condition being equal, the only thing I would pay an upcharge for would be cloth, even if it did cost less when new.
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I have a Natur interior car that was imported into Canada from the U.S..

Black on Natur is a very rare colour combo here in Canada. :laugh:
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Post by Mab1957 »

I share Graham's perspective. Scarcity seems to have an impact on price and 5% seems as good a place as any to start. Building a leather interior is expensive regardless of the color (console, lower dash, door skins/pulls/pockets and the seats). So if someone is in search of a black leather interior they're going to find them scarce and therefore more expensive than the natur.

Many other things have more impact on pricing one of these than the color of the leather though. Original components, wear on the components, quality and standard of maintenance and mileage for example.
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Mab1957 wrote:Many other things have more impact on pricing one of these than the color of the leather though. Original components, wear on the components, quality and standard of maintenance and mileage for example.
That's why I preceded the question with...
1st 5er wrote:Everything else being equal, ...
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OK OK OK - 5% then

...but this isn't the case, everything else isn't equal. :argue:
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I know... :haul:
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Ask Paul and Jeff (IIRC)
alpinass wrote:Just SOLD my Black on black M5 (1 of 30), 345K
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The car looked amazing- Interior was a 8 out of 10, paint 7 out of 10, Undercarriage 9 out of 10 - beautiful, new cv axles, Bilsteins sports, H&R springs, E34 M5 aluminum control arms, New upper 750i thrust arm bushings, new rear subframe (urethane) bushings (GREEN), re-inforced M535i diff mount, new dogbones. Suspension was tight - car tracked perfect.
All new fluids, white coolant tank ($115), Kendall GT1 oil&filter, fuel filter, fresh super Bosh plugs.
Just installed s3:73lsd, Redline fluids
Brand new 4-POT calipers - rotors and new pads.
Stainless Steel brake lines.
B&M Short shift kit...impressive!
Brand new HUGE Interstate battery in the trunk $150.00

New owner is HAPPY! he got a great deal.

I still have a 90K s38b35, Getrag 280 gearbox, spare ECU.
Will be up 4-SALE soon.

Paul :banana:
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