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Manual to power windows (DIY INCLUDED)

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Oldtimer
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Manual to power windows (DIY INCLUDED)

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Hello everyone, I tired searching this forum for any info on how to do this conversion, but no luck, so maybe anyone who has some info could give their 5cents? :roll:

My situation is - have a european 520, and I want to install the front electrical windows, but I have no idea from where to get the power and should I put in (and where) some kind of relay..? The things I have are - everything that goes in the door, and the switches, no wiring tho :oops:

P.S. DONE IT, check the DIY at the end! Thanks for the manual and electrical schematic!
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Re: From manual to power windows.

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This would be much simpler if you get the harness plugs for the switches, but even without them you can run the wires and make the connections as shown in the electrical manual. Since main power comes from the battery, you need to install a relay to be able to switch that power with the ignition key. You will also need the circuit breaker installed to protect the circuit.
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hmm, ok then, but if I try to get power from inside the interior, for example from the cigarette lighter, would that work?
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Re: From manual to power windows.

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Oldtimer wrote:hmm, ok then, but if I try to get power from inside the interior, for example from the cigarette lighter, would that work?
I don't see why not, except of course if you're wanting to light your cigarette at the same time.
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demetk wrote:... shown in the electrical manual..
Where can i get this?
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Re: From manual to power windows.

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I have the BMW retrofit instructions if it's any help:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5MT6K ... sp=sharing
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Oldtimer wrote:
demetk wrote:... shown in the electrical manual..
Where can i get this?
http://wedophones.com/BMWManualsLead.htm

The 86 828e-535i manual should be good to see what the wiring looks like.
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Karl Grau wrote:I have the BMW retrofit instructions if it's any help:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5MT6K ... sp=sharing
whoa, this will help a lot with the installation :bow:

But the manual is very brief about what whires should i connect to where.. :(
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this is the switch, i suppose that the red one is for power, and the blue/black are impulse wires, but is it really that simple - connect red to power, and blue/black to the window wiring?
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I think it's that simple. Pull the connecter off the switch and you will see the pin numbers on the switch. They should correspond to the pin numbers in the schematic. Brown wires are just connected to ground. Install the curcuit breaker inline with the power wire. Do you know how to wire in the relay?
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demetk wrote:I think it's that simple. Pull the connecter off the switch and you will see the pin numbers on the switch. They should correspond to the pin numbers in the schematic. Brown wires are just connected to ground. Install the curcuit breaker inline with the power wire. Do you know how to wire in the relay?
about the relay - no idea, and why/where should it be?
about the circuit braker - (edit, nevermind its 25AMP, just checked the schematic)
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Oldtimer wrote:i suppose that the red one is for power, and the blue/black are impulse wires, but is it really that simple - connect red to power, and blue/black to the window wiring?
Yes.
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If interested I can pull all of the wire harnesses to the doors and to the switches and ship it.

Andy
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Oldtimer wrote:Hello everyone, I tired searching this forum for any info on how to do this conversion, but no luck, so maybe anyone who has some info could give their 5cents? :roll:

My situation is - have a european 520, and I want to install the front electrical windows, but I have no idea from where to get the power and should I put in (and where) some kind of relay..? The things I have are - everything that goes in the door, and the switches, no wiring tho :oops:
The factory harness plugs into a connector, under the drivers side kick panel. The relays are also there. (The blue ones on the picture)

Sorry, I don't have better picture.

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Edit I found a better picture here:

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Thank you for your replies, I have a manual trans, and I dont have that relay from the factory (as it came without power windows) and what I got from the nearby scrapyard was - both switches as shown in the picture and everything that came into both of the front doors. As someone has already tinkered there with the alam/central locking system (not me, so no idea what is what there :D) I will just wire the windows straight, from the doors to the button (put in a relay in the middle (somewhere in the doors)) and take the power from the cigarette lighter (in the middle a circuit braker (25amp)), and ground them under the rear seat (closest and easiest spot IMO).
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What is needed to upgrade from manual to power windows?
1. Torque wrench with size 8mm and 10mm heads.
2. (+) screwdriver
3. Black electrical tape
4. Hex nut`s sized 8mm (0.31inch) (6 pieces)
5. Heat shrink tubes (used inside doors and if you want to inside the car, helps to secure the connected wires)
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6. 2x 25amp fuses (with nests) to put them inline with the power line.
7. Wires, preferably colored -black, blue, red, brown thickness -1.5-2.5 (I used 1.5 and have no problems at all).
About needed wire lenght - to be on the safe side take black and blue = 6m each (20ft) and the red = 2m (6.5ft) and brown = 6m(20ft)
8. Tweezers (small ones)
9. Patience :D

As i read up on the manual and gathered info on how to, where and what would be the best solution, i came to a conclusion - all you need is the list above and the power window buttons/mechanisms! If you want to do it properly as BMW intended from the start, and have a donor car from where to take parts - do it as shown in the manual
my version is cheaper if you dont have the relay or the original wiring that goes into the door :)


REMEBER - before doing this, REMOVE the power from the electric system

Step 1.
Take out the plastic that`s guarding the handbrake, if there are any questions on how to do it - there is a detailed manual a few lines higher,
and remove everything that is around the gear shifter knob, then proceed to the whole console. DON`T TAKE IT OUT COMPLETELY it is not necessary!
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get it to this position, and you are set.
Step 2.
As you can see, I didnt have the plastic with the holes so i had to make em for this to work. All you need is a seam (no idea if that`s what it`s called properly) as shown in the picture and a larger sized screw. When you have your plastic a bit higher and you can freely reach underneath it - search for some markings under it, there are lines where the buttons should go, find the middle of that spot, and puncture it with the screw, after that push the seam trough and work until you have a decent hole for the button to be seated in!
Step 3.
Instert wires (black and blue) underneath the carpet where the gear shifter knob is at. After that remove everything there is to remove to get your hand under the carpet, and pull the wires towards the spot where is the front speaker located. Remove the speaker and find the hole where the wires from the door come into the interior.
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(you can see what has to be removed to loosen everything properly)

Step 4. (and this takes most of the patience needed :D)
Get the wires trough this thing.
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(the black rubber thing that goes from the frame to the door and keeps your wires safe)
I used tweezers on one, but the other was already with some holes (covered em up with some rubber glue and black tape), so was pretty time and nerve consuming.
Get both of the wires, blue and black, to the inside of the door!

Step 5.
Remove the lower part of the door lining (on how to, check the manual).
And then take out the old manual mechanism, and replace it with the new electric one (use torque wrench with 10mm head) this is where you will need 3 of the hex nuts!
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The red circles are where the manual one was screwed on, yellow is where the electric one should be. And there is another one, but that is common to both and is located at the "end" of the doors.

Step 6.
Now you can connect the wires to the mechanism and proceed to the interior!

Step 7.
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this is how the button should look like with wires. Connect the black and blue to their respective ends.
Red one is for power, there are many places to take power from, I took it from the "nearby" cigarette lighter as it was really close and had a grounding wire also! (check the picture in step 1 in the upper left corner you can see the wires where i connected both of front windows)
Don`t connect the red wire straight to the power line, put a fuse in the middle (25amp) just in case something goes wrong, be safe :)
And the brown wires you can connect and put them both to the grounding line that came to the cigarette lighter! (Also, there are a lot of places to ground the switches against, for example under the rear seat, or under the steering wheel at the "central" grounding point! Just select a spot and wire away, because you have the wires to do it :)

Step 8.

Take everything back together :D (congratz if you won`t have any screws left as "wtf where did this come from")
Seal up every connection, double check the colours (do they match their respective end) and put the battery back in! Check if everything works (it should) and do the same thing on both sides (or all four).

Done, the easy/cheap/lazy way to get power windows
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Not bad.

So are the windows always powered up?
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demetk wrote:Not bad.

So are the windows always powered up?
the switches are always lighted, but I dont think that the motors drain power, because the switches act as a relay (at least I think they do). Cause the power line only goes to the switch and from the switch later transfers the power to the motors :)
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Oldtimer wrote:the switches are always lighted, but I dont think that the motors drain power, because the switches act as a relay (at least I think they do). Cause the power line only goes to the switch and from the switch later transfers the power to the motors :)
Yeah, you don't want the window switches to be always lighted. You really should be using a relay to provide ignition switched power to the windows. Turn the ignition on and the relay clicks on and the window switches light up. The euro e28 had the option that allowed the relay to also click on whenever a door was opened. That's how I have mine wired up.
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demetk wrote:
Oldtimer wrote:the switches are always lighted, but I dont think that the motors drain power, because the switches act as a relay (at least I think they do). Cause the power line only goes to the switch and from the switch later transfers the power to the motors :)
Yeah, you don't want the window switches to be always lighted. You really should be using a relay to provide ignition switched power to the windows. Turn the ignition on and the relay clicks on and the window switches light up. The euro e28 had the option that allowed the relay to also click on whenever a door was opened. That's how I have mine wired up.

hmm, but I don`t have a usefull donor from where to get the relay :( and that would mean a re-wire and then I should take power from the intended place, or.. I cant think of something that already has a relay that comes on only when ignition is on..

What can happen if it stays this way?
p.s. I use my E28 as a daily driver, if i should put it for a longer stay, i can always pull out the fuses that i have installed in the power line :)
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demetk wrote:
Oldtimer wrote:the switches are always lighted, but I dont think that the motors drain power, because the switches act as a relay (at least I think they do). Cause the power line only goes to the switch and from the switch later transfers the power to the motors :)
Yeah, you don't want the window switches to be always lighted. You really should be using a relay to provide ignition switched power to the windows. Turn the ignition on and the relay clicks on and the window switches light up. The euro e28 had the option that allowed the relay to also click on whenever a door was opened. That's how I have mine wired up.
The euro wiring only allows to turn on the window lift electrics (with ignition off) when the driver door is opened. No other doors actuate it.
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Oldtimer wrote:hmm, but I don`t have a usefull donor from where to get the relay :( and that would mean a re-wire and then I should take power from the intended place, or.. I cant think of something that already has a relay that comes on only when ignition is on..
A simple 4-pin relay is all you need. LOL on the having to rewire it. Carry on then.
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demetk wrote:
Oldtimer wrote:hmm, but I don`t have a usefull donor from where to get the relay :( and that would mean a re-wire and then I should take power from the intended place, or.. I cant think of something that already has a relay that comes on only when ignition is on..
A simple 4-pin relay is all you need. LOL on the having to rewire it. Carry on then.
I`m not that brilliant when it comes to wiring.. :laugh: ah, ok then, i`ll re-do it in a week or so!
in the meantime - what can happen with this setup?
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Oldtimer wrote:I`m not that brilliant when it comes to wiring.. :laugh: ah, ok then, i`ll re-do it in a week or so!
in the meantime - what can happen with this setup?
LOL. The learning curve always starts at the beginning.

And what can happen with your setup? Maybe like having power windows? :) I'd carry a fire extinguisher around for a couple of days just in case.

cheers.
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Was lazy as hell, just installed an ON/OFF switch in the power line :D

but as soon as I have an inspiration to do it properly, will update the DIY! :)
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The picture of how the wiring of the 5pin power window switches can no longer be loaded. Could you help me repost the picture again? as im trying the same thing. Thankyou in advance and your help is deeply appreciated :) and sorry for asking this late
 
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