External links now open in a new browser tab - turn this off in your UCP - Read more here.

Whats this light mean?

E28 technical advice asked and given! Troubleshooting, modifications and more.
Post Reply
Zach716
Posts: 1376
Joined: Sep 02, 2009 3:48 PM
Location: Winston-Salem, NC
Contact:

Whats this light mean?

Post by Zach716 »

I could not find this in the Bentley or the Haynes, maybe I'm just looking in the wrong spot, so hopefully someone can tell me! I have circled the area where it is and poorly draw what it looks like it has two arrows pointing in the opposite direction with a dot in the middle, it lights up green. Thanks.

Image
(not my cluster, got it off Google.)
Danielsan
Posts: 231
Joined: Jan 25, 2010 11:28 PM
Location: Lawrence,ks

Post by Danielsan »

I had that on my Euro 525 e28....never figured out what it was for.
ahab
Posts: 6205
Joined: Jun 11, 2006 9:12 AM
Location: Chalfont, PA

Post by ahab »

Certain Euro models do not have the same separate turn signal indicators we have between the fuel and coolant temp gauges. They use that common bulb to indicate either direction is operating. I'd guess that you have a lamp in somewhere where it shouldn't be because our clusters don't normally have one in there. IIRC, we only have a lamp for ABS and CEL (non-functioning), all the others are twist-lock bulbs in the PCB. Why it's lit however is a different story. When you turn the key on does your ABS light illuminate until you start the car? If not perhaps that's where this lamp belongs and you have an ABS fault. Otherwise I'm not sure why your CEL would light on an 87 535.

BTW, forgot to look at my Llama interior bits today. I'll do it first thing tomorrow and get back to you.
Zach716
Posts: 1376
Joined: Sep 02, 2009 3:48 PM
Location: Winston-Salem, NC
Contact:

Post by Zach716 »

My ABS light does come on and turn off when car is started and so does this light. Weird. Ok, thanks for the input!

And that's cool, no rush!
turbodan
Posts: 9302
Joined: Jan 09, 2007 10:19 PM

Post by turbodan »

Are you driving down the highway in 3rd gear?
John in VA
Posts: 5306
Joined: Feb 12, 2006 12:00 PM
Location: Leesburg, VA

Post by John in VA »

turbodan wrote:Are you driving down the highway in 3rd gear?
Zach716 wrote:(not my cluster, got it off Google.)
Karl Grau
Posts: 9720
Joined: Mar 10, 2006 7:34 PM
Location: Sandy Eggo

Post by Karl Grau »

I don't remember if BMW offered it but a lot of European cars had a feature where you could illuminate the parking lights on one side of the car while it was unattended. Maybe it's an indicator for that. :dunno:

When we lived in France our Renault had this feature but it was a standalone lamp (shown on the fender above the front wheel arch in this pic).

Image
Zach716
Posts: 1376
Joined: Sep 02, 2009 3:48 PM
Location: Winston-Salem, NC
Contact:

Post by Zach716 »

John in VA wrote:
turbodan wrote:Are you driving down the highway in 3rd gear?
Zach716 wrote:(not my cluster, got it off Google.)
Thanks John, I drive a 5spd Anyway.
wkohler
Posts: 50928
Joined: Oct 05, 2006 11:04 PM
Location: Phönix, Arizona, USA
Contact:

Post by wkohler »

Karl Grau wrote:I don't remember if BMW offered it but a lot of European cars had a feature where you could illuminate the parking lights on one side of the car while it was unattended. Maybe it's an indicator for that. :dunno:

When we lived in France our Renault had this feature but it was a standalone lamp (shown on the fender above the front wheel arch in this pic).

Image
They did. Mine have it.
gfoto
Posts: 157
Joined: Jun 04, 2011 6:33 AM
Location: Greece

Post by gfoto »

All E28 must have it, mine does though the left one does not stay on... :roll:
Lotus72D
Posts: 66
Joined: Feb 12, 2006 12:00 PM

Post by Lotus72D »

The manual states it is a Trailer turn indicator repeater lamp.
shagrath
Posts: 14980
Joined: Jun 15, 2009 12:21 PM
Location: pLace

Post by shagrath »

Zach my car has it but it not lit. I found it because I accidentally put my CEL light in that spot instead of where it goes. :oops:
ahab
Posts: 6205
Joined: Jun 11, 2006 9:12 AM
Location: Chalfont, PA

Post by ahab »

wkohler wrote:
Karl Grau wrote:I don't remember if BMW offered it but a lot of European cars had a feature where you could illuminate the parking lights on one side of the car while it was unattended. Maybe it's an indicator for that. :dunno:

When we lived in France our Renault had this feature but it was a standalone lamp (shown on the fender above the front wheel arch in this pic).

Image
They did. Mine have it.
My 73 2002 had this feature but I *think* it used the standard dash illumination to indicate it was active. More than once I had an "oh shit" moment when I returned to the car at night and found one side of the car lit. It took a while to get used to. That and the TS stalk being on the right side of the column...

All E28 clusters I have seen have the spot, just not a lamp in it. I wonder what the ETM says about the wiring, I've never checked. This is likely part of the mystery behind some of those unused connectors behind the cluster.
tomcinric
Posts: 238
Joined: Jul 31, 2010 5:46 PM
Location: Richmond, VA

Post by tomcinric »

I use that indicator for my alarm on light. It flashes when the alarm is active. I of course put it there, so meh.
shagrath
Posts: 14980
Joined: Jun 15, 2009 12:21 PM
Location: pLace

Post by shagrath »

I remember being told the light is there for when a side of the car is illuminated while broken down on the side of the road (a Euro thing apparently).

:dunno:
Lotus72D
Posts: 66
Joined: Feb 12, 2006 12:00 PM

Post by Lotus72D »

Lotus72D wrote:The manual states it is a Trailer turn indicator repeater lamp.
The BMW owner's manual states what is quoted above and the manual in German has the same picture and lots of words I don't understand. There is no other stock use for this telltale. It can be used for lots of different things when wired to do that. There are no interior lights on when the left or right side parking lights are turned on using the turn signal, this as discuss for that late night visit to the fraulein before going home to the frau.
shomikus
Posts: 127
Joined: Jan 08, 2012 3:08 PM
Location: Belgrade , Serbia , Europe

Post by shomikus »

That light is for turning signals on trailer.
I have on my bmw instaled originaly tow bar and when you connect with trailer it signals on board
Zeta
Posts: 155
Joined: Sep 07, 2017 12:33 PM
Location: Salt Lake City

Re: Whats this light mean?

Post by Zeta »

If this is what I see when I turn the ignition to accessory in my US '88 528e, can I assume that the bulb from the anti-lock socket is in the wrong place?
 
Image

Also, wow, it's been years since I last posted here, and this new photo uploader is amazing! I think it's the motivation I needed to post a general update on my car with pictures. And a wiki, holy crap, I've been missing out!
Blue Shadow
Posts: 10357
Joined: Feb 12, 2006 12:00 PM
Location: SE PA

Re: Whats this light mean?

Post by Blue Shadow »

Don’t want to know about the P being lit up, but yes, probably a relocated abs lamp. Easy to stuff that one in a few different locations. 
Zeta
Posts: 155
Joined: Sep 07, 2017 12:33 PM
Location: Salt Lake City

Re: Whats this light mean?

Post by Zeta »

Blue Shadow" wrote: Apr 19, 2025 12:10 AM Don’t want to know about the P being lit up, but yes, probably a relocated abs lamp. Easy to stuff that one in a few different locations.
 
Sincerest apologies for the glowing P.

I checked to see if my ABS light was missing, but like the OP, there is already another light there too, it just doesn't turn on with the ignition. Maybe it's burnt out. Is it possible that the mystery light should be in the Check Engine position? My car is a Super Eta and if I remember correctly, they're actually supposed to have a functioning CEL, unlike most e28s.
Post Reply