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E28 M5 CSL - The Beast From Sweden - Sold to a new owner!

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dunnojack
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Post by dunnojack »

Mats Kinnby wrote:
dunnojack wrote:omg... car looks so sexy... are euro 6-speeds from the e34 m5 easy finds out there?
Unfortunately not. We are using a 5-speed on this one, my opinion is that the S38 is strong enough to manage a 5-speed, no need for the closer 6-speed, at least not when having 4,27:1 in the rear differential as we do. :roll:
i was thinking about running the same diff ratio, that's why i wanted a 6-speed. but then i think the over drive gear is the same correct?

are you guys using a medium case diff with a z torsen diff?
Mats Kinnby
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Post by Mats Kinnby »

dunnojack wrote:
Mats Kinnby wrote:
dunnojack wrote:omg... car looks so sexy... are euro 6-speeds from the e34 m5 easy finds out there?
Unfortunately not. We are using a 5-speed on this one, my opinion is that the S38 is strong enough to manage a 5-speed, no need for the closer 6-speed, at least not when having 4,27:1 in the rear differential as we do. :roll:
i was thinking about running the same diff ratio, that's why i wanted a 6-speed. but then i think the over drive gear is the same correct?

are you guys using a medium case diff with a z torsen diff?
Yes, its the "medium size" or 188mm size as BMW say, its the smaller ones fitted to E28´s. Its a rebuild limited slip insert giving somewhat 70% lockup and increased pre-tengthing.

I guess as you say, the 6´th and 5th gear is same ratio between those cases. Works fine for us.
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Post by dunnojack »

oh ok. i was hoping that the 6th gear was different than the overdrive on the 5 speed... wanted to have a better ratio for daily driving haha.

so what suspension are you guys using? brakes? i'd throw a widebody on mine if i had the funds...
Mats Kinnby
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Post by Mats Kinnby »

dunnojack wrote:oh ok. i was hoping that the 6th gear was different than the overdrive on the 5 speed... wanted to have a better ratio for daily driving haha.

so what suspension are you guys using? brakes? i'd throw a widebody on mine if i had the funds...
Yes, that would be perfect for daily use. The 6-speed cars have a tougher ratio in the rear though, so they get the best out of two worlds, a closer gearbox in the first 5 gears, and the overdrive on the 6´th in combination with a lower ratio in the diff, this means lower revs on the freeway.
You could swap the gears in your final drive, and get the better results, based on what you have today, I could help you find some suitable gears.

Suspension today is a custom buildt Bilstein Coilover chassis, its based on figures from the E24 635 CSi Group A racer that won some fights in Europe during the 1980´s. Its works ok but not more, the cost in europe was equal to 5000 USD for this a few years ago, and unfortunately we have to try something else during next season, those wide tires and the differences in the tracks we visit makes a non-adjustable chassis a bad choise.

Brakes are 6 pot calipers in front with 330mm discs, rear we use 4 pot calipers with 303mm discs.

I also run the company XYZ SWEDEN (www.xyz-sweden.com) and just finished develop a fully adjustable coiloverkit for the E28 for about 1200 USD, its then complete with camber adjustable top mounts and a 30 way shock stiffness adjustment. As far as i know, this is a rare product, and it took some beating until the manufacturer agreed to produce for us, the model is being seen as "outdated" unfortunately...

Regarding wide body kits, they are hard to get there and it takes some craftmanship to get them fitted properly and good looking, I wont ever do that operation again, even though I do have the molds for this one.
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Post by Mats Kinnby »

Some more pics from the last race weekend...

In the tent, waiting for race to begin...
You can see our Chevy Van G20 outside the tent, in same colours as the race car... :cool:

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After race was started, it seem a bad choice to go out on slick tyres, even the track was wet, we thought it would dry up faster than it did, got understeer and went off, did some damage to the airdam and the left front wheel and had to visit the pits, so I finished in 22´nd place out of 37 cars... :(

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Mats Kinnby
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Post by Mats Kinnby »

The final race of the 2010 season is over.

Our E28 will need som warm and tender love during the winter to get back up there for 2011.

If anyone have a set of Left and Right hand grilles for the US Spec E28, I would be happy to purchase them, or trade for a set of Euro ones.

A sad car, waiting for the doctor...

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Black Steel
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Post by Black Steel »

Love your car Mat :D

Keep the updates coming :D
cavemanDarrell
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Post by cavemanDarrell »

sad to hear :/
I can definitely pick some up from the junkyard in good condition and would love to trade. do you have any idea what shipping costs are to get them to you?
Mats Kinnby
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Post by Mats Kinnby »

Black Steel wrote:Love your car Mat :D

Keep the updates coming :D
Thanks mate!

I will sure do that, updates from restauration and improvements will be posted here during the next few months, 2011 season starts in May, so there will be time to fix her.


cavemanDarrell wrote:sad to hear :/
I can definitely pick some up from the junkyard in good condition and would love to trade. do you have any idea what shipping costs are to get them to you?
Thanks!
I would guess shipping charges are 20-30 USD, the grilles are light but size is what would maybe increase the cost.
I do have Pay Pal for smooth payment.
alijonny
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Post by alijonny »

Do your tires come to you with painted lettering on the side walls, or do you paint them?
Mats Kinnby
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Post by Mats Kinnby »

alijonny wrote:Do your tires come to you with painted lettering on the side walls, or do you paint them?
They originally comes with faded highlighted text from AVON in creamy/dirty white colour, but we do clean that off to put bright white tyre paint on instead.
It might seem like a waste of time since it wont do any to improve the performance, but it really gives a more "high finish" apearance since the rest of the car is (was :cry: ) mint condition.

Thanks for all the support and cheers through PM:s regarding the crashed M5 CSL dear MyE28 members.
With help from you guys, the grille issue seems solved, and she will rise again.

There will be a onboard video from the crash along with pictures shortly.
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Post by tsmall07 »

Any updates on this? Sad to hear the car crashed, but that is the risk of racing. Have you fixed it yet?
Mats Kinnby
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Post by Mats Kinnby »

tsmall07 wrote:Any updates on this? Sad to hear the car crashed, but that is the risk of racing. Have you fixed it yet?
Sure the car is comming together slowly, the long waiting time for parts is now over, and we wil manufacture more front air dam´s shortly to cover the 2011 season.

A movie from the crash, download to your drive: http://www.kinnby.com/film/onboard_disaster.wmv

Sorry for the quality, the camera stand was not tighten enough it showed...

A better update will follow shortly, will gather some more news and pics of the updates / restoration.

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Post by Coldswede »

Ouch! Okay who brake checked on the start! :evil:

Glad it wasn't worse and even gladder your fixing it! :up: :clap:
e-28 fan
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Post by e-28 fan »

Dream car :bow:
This is perfect example how must look racing e28.
I hope that damage isnt so big,and I wish you luck :beer:
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Post by ealinn »

Thats one of the best Motly Crue songs made. Damage dosn't look too bad, good winter project. Best of luck!
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Post by Alfonso Bedoya »

I am just curious why this car could not have been passing people? Sorry for the damage, it doesn't seem torquey enough for a race car, tis beautiful looking no doubt. Good luck with the repairs man and thanks for sharing!
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Post by ealinn »

Alfonso Bedoya wrote:I am just curious why this car could not have been passing people? Sorry for the damage, it doesn't seem torquey enough for a race car, tis beautiful looking no doubt. Good luck with the repairs man and thanks for sharing!
Dude, really? Do you think they were just swerving around then driving around in formation in a race? This video was shot under yellw flag then when the flag went down is where the damage was done.
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Post by Alfonso Bedoya »

ealinn wrote:
Alfonso Bedoya wrote:I am just curious why this car could not have been passing people? Sorry for the damage, it doesn't seem torquey enough for a race car, tis beautiful looking no doubt. Good luck with the repairs man and thanks for sharing!
Dude, really? Do you think they were just swerving around then driving around in formation in a race? This video was shot under yellw flag then when the flag went down is where the damage was done.
@ealinn I did not see anthing regarding a yellow flag OK that espalins it! Thank you :rofl:

@ealinn OBTW it's MOTLEY CRUE with accent's over the "O" and "U" FYI That's a yellow flag for being non metal!

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Sorry for derailment I am just as much a metal head as I am a e28 lover....as you were!
Mats Kinnby
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Post by Mats Kinnby »

Thanks for the heads up!

Well, I forgot to mention that the incident happened on the outlap from the pits, we have a rolling start and I was starting from last position due to a broken gear lever in te first race that made me abandon that race, since I had no result from race 1 i had to start in last pos in race 2.
Normally I would have been starting from around 5´th place in the 35 car grid.
When the lights turn to green all cars accelerates, but the car in front of me locks his brakes instead, so taken by surprice i have to move my foot from the accelerator to the brake and that takes that second I would need for braking...
Water radiator, oilcooler and front airdam were immediately broken, and it made me retire instantly.

The car i hit was a 150 HP weaker E30 which I would have passed a few seconds later to start my hunt for the front field.

It looked a bit sad as well after my visit:

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Post by WilNJ »

Mats Kinnby wrote: but the car in front of me locks his brakes instead,
:argue: :brickwall: :bawl: :x

Soundtrack :rockon:
Alfonso Bedoya wrote:I did not see anthing regarding a yellow flag OK that espalins it!
If the swerving to heat tires wasn't enough of a clue, watch the video again @2:12
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Post by Alfonso Bedoya »

What a sorted mess, I so love that car man, please keep us updated. Are you retiring the car also? I wish you well on your car and any injuries that may have happened in this accident. Truly a BEAST that needs some love and a second chance for the checkered flag! As a child I had a tyco race car set, and it did have a 5er race car just like that! I guess that's why I love my e28 it brings back mems for me.

All the best in 2011 Cheers from Canada! :up:
GAB323
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Post by GAB323 »

- You have the most beautiful racing e28 i've ever seen.!! the work is incredible. About this little "confrontation" :) ..i'm glad you keep going on its repair.
Hope your car get in the track as soon as possible!.
My best regards from the other side of the world,
Gabriel
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Post by Blackey1693 »

Words can not discribe how far down my jaw is rite now, I'm i'n love with that wide fender look, how did u manage to do that?
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Post by tsmall07 »

Blackey1693 wrote:Words can not discribe how far down my jaw is rite now, I'm i'n love with that wide fender look, how did u manage to do that?
Dude, there are pictures and descriptions of the build on the first page of this thread.
Mats Kinnby
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Post by Mats Kinnby »

Its is starting to come back to life...

First race this saturday, May 7.

Hopefully its a better outcome than last time...

From repair...
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From Yesterday after new front airdam was fitted.
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Post by tsmall07 »

Awesome. :alright:
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Post by Eddie in TO »

one of the sexiest machines on this planet.
ealinn
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Post by ealinn »

Absolutly fantastic.
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Post by Das_Prachtstrasse »

Eddie in TO wrote:one of the sexiest machines on this planet.
THIS. :alright:
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