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Re: Project 'Blue': The perfect, S54 powered, DD E28

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635L6M3 wrote:Awesome build!

Just a heads-up...even though your S54 has very low miles I would consider bulletproofing the vanos system before you drop it in. Cracked/broken hub and loose bolts is a common issue...anywhere from low to high mileage. Beisan has a cheap fix for any of the common issues....pasted below.

http://www.m3forum.net/m3forum/showthread.php?t=441481
Thanks, for pointing that out. I've already done thorough research into this topic, and updating the vanos is part of the plan/budget. Haven't nailed who/how the work will get done, but it will get done.
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Re: Project 'Blue': The perfect, S54 powered, DD E28

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Re: Project 'Blue': The perfect, S54 powered, DD E28

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This is gonna be awesome! What's the plan for course? Build, sort, then paint and interior or?
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Re: Project 'Blue': The perfect, S54 powered, DD E28

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86GT635 wrote:This is gonna be awesome! What's the plan for course? Build, sort, then paint and interior or?
Good question. I've thought it out, but now that you ask I realize I haven't ever written it down...which crazy given how much I harp on people for "Have a plan. Write it down." I'm willing to be a lot of clarification comes from this...so here goes...

(your summary is just about right: test/measure, build/modify, paint, assemble, do interior, drive)
  • Get car on lift and inspect under-side (I've never seen it because I haven't ever put it on the lift yet!)
  • Remove E46 engine mounts from engine.
  • Remove S54 oil pan.
  • Install M50 oil pan/pump/pickup (still need to source; may do the steps below w/out an oil pan at all).
  • Install Marco916's engine mounts on engine and attach tospare sub-frame.
  • Build engine/tranny cradle for table-lift. The idea is a cradle (with wheels) that the table-lift can slide under and then lift the sub-frame/engine/tranny in a stable way. I am itching for my first real welding project…
  • Hoist 'er up (table-lift)/drop 'er down (4-post lift) for a test fit.
  • Verify Marco916's mounts put the engine where I want it.
  • Determine what mods to the transmission tunnel are required to fit the 6-speed.
  • … (a whole bunch of stuff relating to the brake booster, oil cooler, intake muffler, wiring, …)
  • Assemble everything so that the engine can start. The car will not be drivable due to lack of interior and there's no point in really going that far, but I want to be completely sure the engine electronics and accessories are sorted BEFORE the car is re-painted (e.g. brackets fabricated and welded into place).
  • Build a dolly that will let me move the chassis around without any suspension (see Kohler/bkbimmer's threads for ideas). Another fun welding project!
  • Strip all parts off the chassis.
  • Transport the chassis to my body/paint guy. He's got a rotisserie…
  • … (a lot of details about sound proofing, rust prevention, under coating, body work, prep, paint) …
  • Let cure… for a long time.
  • Start re-attaching parts (learning a lot from Kohler's treads on how to phase all this).
  • Interior comes last (or close to last).
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Re: Project 'Blue': The perfect, S54 powered, DD E28

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So what you're saying is there's still time to decide on paint color, I vote Montego! Good luck Charlie, this is a real whopper of a build.
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Re: Project 'Blue': The perfect, S54 powered, DD E28

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Great thread..that car looks familar?????

CEK - I have rebuilt M5 (RED tag) steering box available.

PML
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Re: Project 'Blue': The perfect, S54 powered, DD E28

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cek wrote:
86GT635 wrote:This is gonna be awesome! What's the plan for course? Build, sort, then paint and interior or?
Good question. I've thought it out, but now that you ask I realize I haven't ever written it down...which crazy given how much I harp on people for "Have a plan. Write it down." I'm willing to be a lot of clarification comes from this...so here goes...

(your summary is just about right: test/measure, build/modify, paint, assemble, do interior, drive)
  • Get car on lift and inspect under-side (I've never seen it because I haven't ever put it on the lift yet!)
  • Remove E46 engine mounts from engine.
  • Remove S54 oil pan.
  • Install M50 oil pan/pump/pickup (still need to source; may do the steps below w/out an oil pan at all).
  • Install Marco916's engine mounts on engine and attach tospare sub-frame.
  • Build engine/tranny cradle for table-lift. The idea is a cradle (with wheels) that the table-lift can slide under and then lift the sub-frame/engine/tranny in a stable way. I am itching for my first real welding project…
  • Hoist 'er up (table-lift)/drop 'er down (4-post lift) for a test fit.
  • Verify Marco916's mounts put the engine where I want it.
  • Determine what mods to the transmission tunnel are required to fit the 6-speed.
  • … (a whole bunch of stuff relating to the brake booster, oil cooler, intake muffler, wiring, …)
  • Assemble everything so that the engine can start. The car will not be drivable due to lack of interior and there's no point in really going that far, but I want to be completely sure the engine electronics and accessories are sorted BEFORE the car is re-painted (e.g. brackets fabricated and welded into place).
  • Build a dolly that will let me move the chassis around without any suspension (see Kohler/bkbimmer's threads for ideas). Another fun welding project!
  • Strip all parts off the chassis.
  • Transport the chassis to my body/paint guy. He's got a rotisserie…
  • … (a lot of details about sound proofing, rust prevention, under coating, body work, prep, paint) …
  • Let cure… for a long time.
  • Start re-attaching parts (learning a lot from Kohler's treads on how to phase all this).
  • Interior comes last (or close to last).
If you use my thread for ideas your build will fail. I don't write things down or have spreadsheets. Sorry
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Re: Project 'Blue': The perfect, S54 powered, DD E28

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bkbimmer wrote:If you use my thread for ideas your build will fail. I don't write things down or have spreadsheets. Sorry
You don't get off that easy. I see what I want to see in your threads.
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Re: Project 'Blue': The perfect, S54 powered, DD E28

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cek wrote:
bkbimmer wrote:If you use my thread for ideas your build will fail. I don't write things down or have spreadsheets. Sorry
You don't get off that easy. I see what I want to see in your threads.

Don't you see what you want to see from sea to shining sea?
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Re: Project 'Blue': The perfect, S54 powered, DD E28

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bkbimmer wrote:
cek wrote:
bkbimmer wrote:If you use my thread for ideas your build will fail. I don't write things down or have spreadsheets. Sorry
You don't get off that easy. I see what I want to see in your threads.

Don't you see what you want to see from sea to shining sea?
Si
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Re: Project 'Blue': The perfect, S54 powered, DD E28

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:popcorn:
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Re: Project 'Blue': The perfect, S54 powered, DD E28

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Progress sir, this board depends on your insatiable narcissism.
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Re: Project 'Blue': The perfect, S54 powered, DD E28

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I don't log in here enough. This is going to be intereresting in more then one direction . You , like One Direction right?
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Re: Project 'Blue': The perfect, S54 powered, DD E28

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Mark 88/M5 Houston wrote:I've always liked the BMW Lapisblau and you rarely see it in North America.
Thanks for the pic and reminder, I agree, that is gorgeous.
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Re: Project 'Blue': Yet another S54 powered E28

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Anyone else worried about cek? Haven't seen him around for awhile.

Cek, you still there? :poke:
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Re: Project 'Blue': Yet another S54 powered E28

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*shouts into the void*
Me: "CEK, WHERE ARE YOU?!"

*gets the sheering metal response of an S54 falling off the cherry picker*
Cek: "God DAMMIT"
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Re: Project 'Blue': Yet another S54 powered E28

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Hopefully he came to his senses and got out of this hobby to pursue more worthwhile causes.
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Re: Project 'Blue': Yet another S54 powered E28

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I know where he is. :shock:
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Re: Project 'Blue': Yet another S54 powered E28

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I'm good. Just busy as f**k with a new role at the bookstore. Not that you REALLY care. ;-)
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Re: Project 'Blue': Yet another S54 powered E28

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oldskool wrote:I know where he is. :shock:
Thats just because you followed him home. How much milk is in his fridge?
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Re: Project 'Blue': Yet another S54 powered E28

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cek wrote:I'm good. Just busy as f**k with a new role at the bookstore. Not that you REALLY care. ;-)
i care, not like the rest of these knuckleheads.
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Re: Project 'Blue': Yet another S54 powered E28

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I care a lot, we love you, big guy.

Now inspire us, please. :)
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Re: Project 'Blue': Yet another S54 powered E28

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EventuallyAyrton wrote:
oldskool wrote:I know where he is. :shock:
Thats just because you followed him home. How much milk is in his fridge?
:dunno: I dunno, but I bet he could tell you precisely just with his smart phone
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Re: Project 'Blue': Yet another S54 powered E28

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bkbimmer wrote:I care a lot, we love you, big guy.

Now inspire us, please. :)
I hate it when he makes us beg
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Re: Project 'Blue': Yet another S54 powered E28

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I hate it when he lifts his leg.
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Re: Project 'Blue': Yet another S54 powered E28

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Finally got a little time to poke around in the garage. Been a b z b.

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Got the clutch and flywheel off so I could get the engine on the stand. Next step is to pull the oil pan so I can attach the mounts and front sub-frame. I'll then construct my engine cradle.
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Also received a package of refinished fasteners. Oooh...
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And I found a set of 740 trailing arms (thanks @az!). Inbound.
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Re: Project 'Blue': Yet another S54 powered E28

Post by EventuallyAyrton »

Those are berry berry nice. I forgot that the s54 has two cams lol. Thats what happens when M30 is life. It's a double Vanos valve system as well isn't it?
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Re: Project 'Blue': Yet another S54 powered E28

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Yes, there are two Vanos valves.
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Re: Project 'Blue': Yet another S54 powered E28

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Nice. Interesting mounts.
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Re: Project 'Blue': Yet another S54 powered E28

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Where did you get the refinishing/cadmium plating done?
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