Proposal: Locking Car FS Threads after posting.

[Mark in Toronto]

Bottom line is that if the post is locked, it falls down the list forever. No discussion, no bumping.

That's absolutely not true. The software can be configured to allow bumping after a period of time from the OP only.

Just what we need. Dealers could come in, spam the forum with a bunch of cars that nobody gives a crap about….

Not true, the seller lock option has been successfully implemented on many forums. Keep in mind it's not mandatory, it's an option. This idea was not part of the poll. If you take the time to read the posts on the first page of this thread, you will see support for the voluntary lock option.

What I do see from the conversation is a trend towards an idea of standardizing the way for sale adds are posted.

I definitely wouldn't mind some sort of bare minimum.

That would definitely be a step in the right direction.

Some people here seem to think that being part of a small minority means that everyone agrees with you. (I know this comment leaves an opening to drag it into the TP, but please resist the urge to make this a political commentary thread so I don't have to boot you.)

It's very good to see that this discussion has not become personal/political. IMO, it's been a positive and constructive discussion and continues to generate new ideas.

I'd hate to see this thread moved to TP forcing Paul to use his administrative rights to boot people. That truly would be a shame.

Mark is claming victory with the 18%. The party has been going for hours. Rob Ford even showed up with a big bag of crack.

Chris, no one is claiming victory. Lighten up, take a break from wrenching and try a new hobby, like dancing. It's done wonders for Rob Ford.

[mooseheadm5]

Bottom line is that if the post is locked, it falls down the list forever. No discussion, no bumping.

That's absolutely not true. The software can be configured to allow bumping after a period of time from the OP only.

Just what we need. Dealers could come in, spam the forum with a bunch of cars that nobody gives a crap about….

Not true, the seller lock option has been successfully implemented on many forums. Keep in mind it's not mandatory, it's an option. This idea was not part of the poll. If you take the time to read the posts on the first page of this thread, you will see support for the voluntary lock option.

The "support" for optional lock is you, the OP, and Adrian on the first page. The result of giving the seller the option to lock and bump is the same as mandatory lock and bump. A commercial seller comes in and dumps 25 ads for cars we don't care about and are mis-represented and we can all see it but we can't say anything. Only the seller can bump the sales and does so every 2 days. Real sellers with interesting cars have ads that are lost in the noise or because people stop bothering to read that section of the forum all together.

What I do for a living is design and engineering. I must look at what seems on the surface to be a good idea and analyze what can go wrong and figure out if it is worth going forward. The proposals offered go against this being an open forum and have drawbacks that will outweigh any small benefit. It will benefit sellers who do not have any interest in participation more than it will benefit the forum as a whole.

[wkohler]

Either I totally miss the surface of stuff or that idea is completely absurd to begin with.

[mooseheadm5]

Either I totally miss the surface of stuff or that idea is completely absurd to begin with.

Sometimes I try to be diplomatic.

[Mark in Toronto]

Bottom line is that if the post is locked, it falls down the list forever. No discussion, no bumping.

That's absolutely not true. The software can be configured to allow bumping after a period of time from the OP only.

Just what we need. Dealers could come in, spam the forum with a bunch of cars that nobody gives a crap about….

Not true, the seller lock option has been successfully implemented on many forums. Keep in mind it's not mandatory, it's an option. This idea was not part of the poll. If you take the time to read the posts on the first page of this thread, you will see support for the voluntary lock option.

What I do for a living is design and engineering. I must look at what seems on the surface to be a good idea and analyze what can go wrong and figure out if it is worth going forward. The proposals offered go against this being an open forum and have drawbacks that will outweigh any small benefit. It will benefit sellers who do not have any interest in participation more than it will benefit the forum as a whole.

Okay, I'm a senior policy advisor for the provincial government here in Ontario.

Either I totally miss the surface of stuff…….

That's okay…..

All great change in America begins at the dinner table.
Ronald Reagan

[mooseheadm5]

Okay, I'm a senior policy advisor for the provincial government here in Ontario.

Great! Then you understand risk assessment and cost/benefit analyses. Apply that to this situation and see what you think all the downsides could be and who benefits most.

[Mark in Toronto]

Okay, I'm a senior policy advisor for the provincial government here in Ontario.

Great! Then you understand risk assessment and cost/benefit analyses. Apply that to this situation and see what you think all the downsides could be and who benefits most.

Perfect, we are on the same page!

May I respectfully suggest the beamters check out other forums that have implemented similar policies including standardized advertising guidelines and report back to the community.

[mooseheadm5]

Got some links? Are they car/motorcycle forums or other?

[waynet1]

There will always be someone starting a poll, stirring things up, or wanting to change something, no matter how things are done or run.
If the cars for sale/wanted section is causing such disdain, just get rid of it all together. That’ll stop the bitchin’. Solved.

On another note. I suggest there be a format to be followed for the Tech section. Also one for the Parts for sale/wanted. While were at it..................................





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[Jeremy]

When you suggest the change and find yourself on the wrong side of popular opinion, the onus for proving your point falls onto you, Mark.

One problem here is you seem to have no issue with foisting extra work onto an entirely volunteer based crew. All of your ideas involve some extra degree of moderation. I've looked at various ways to change the classifieds here, but I've always come to the conclusion that the solutions I've seen (and even some that I've tossed around back channel) just don't work for this particular group for a variety of reasons. That includes the idea for locking FS threads automatically, this was considered years ago. It's not a new idea.

This is a unique space, just because certain things work elsewhere doesn't they'll automatically work here.

[OcCoupe]

Me thinks Mark is getting ready to sell something and is attempting to forgo the lumping that is most certainly going to occur once said something is posted for sale.

[Mark in Toronto]

When you suggest the change and find yourself on the wrong side of popular opinion, the onus for proving your point falls onto you, Mark.

One problem here is you seem to have no issue with foisting extra work onto an entirely volunteer based crew. All of your ideas involve some extra degree of moderation. I've looked at various ways to change the classifieds here, but I've always come to the conclusion that the solutions I've seen (and even some that I've tossed around back channel) just don't work for this particular group for a variety of reasons. That includes the idea for locking FS threads automatically, this was considered years ago. It's not a new idea.

This is a unique space, just because certain things work elsewhere doesn't they'll automatically work here.

Jeremy, your remarks concerning previous consideration of auto locking FS provide useful context.

If anything, based on the discussion in this thread, standardized advertising guidelines is worthy of consideration as a way to improve how cars and parts are presented for sale on this forum.

[OcCoupe]

The challenge will always be: you can lead a horse to water...

[Jeremy]

If anything, based on the discussion in this thread, standardized advertising guidelines is worthy of consideration as a way to improve how cars and parts are presented for sale on this forum.

And what do you want done when some knucklehead comes along and posts whatever they feel like anyway?

I'm all for a template of some kind. If someone wants to write up a good one, I'll sticky it and make it an announcement in the FS forum. What I won't do is make its usage a requirement, because that would require review of every single new thread in that forum, and an individual interaction with each poster who doesn't adhere to it.

It'd be a lot of work.

If someone were to write up a template, it would need to be as basic and flexible as possible. The stricter it is, the less likely people would be to use it IMHO.

[OcCoupe]

Good advice here:

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tJsEss5jOc ... JsEss5jOcA

[wkohler]

Happy to individually interact...

[demetk]

Making the FS section become the hoo-hum FS section by implementing standards would drastically diminish the entertainment value that this section has to offer. But seriously, you guys talk about standards as if they're a good thing.

[Jeremy]

you guys talk about standards as if they're a good thing.

I thought that, but I didn't type it. Thank you for saying it.

[RAL]

So, to recap, after three incomplete pages of "discussion," its clear that Mark in Toronto is incredibly annoying.

Chris, as much as I hate to say this and hate to get in to piss and match, the adjective that you used to describing Mark suites you more than anyone else, because at least Mark is speaking in relation to the current issue at hand, also the whole discussion is for people like you that distract other people from the actual subject of thread. Can we just talk like adults? Why do you have to be a sour grape all the time?
What is it that you think that you can accomplish with this type of behavior?
Bottom line is that, this is a valid issue and as you see people are expressing their opinion in democratic way to solve or improve something that might be long over due.

You have said what was in your mind and leave it at that, honestly you don’t need to go further.

Get over yourself and take your own advice.

As to the original poster's idea, is doesn't suit a community, it suits the seller. The forum weeds out the liars and bullshit artists. Yes, people need to self police, and do it more frequently, but welcome to life. Add too many rules and you'll destroy the give and take that makes a forum useful.

[OcCoupe]

Perhaps the C.C.C. Can go start their own FS section. Ours is fine the way it is.

Let's lock this sucker!!!

[tig]

This thread is epic. I'm enjoying it about as much as that e21 thread.

[Devinder]

I didn't read anything in this thread. I dont know how many of the commentators have actually successfully purchased a car long-distance sight-unseen. I've done it twice (M5 and CS) and I'm currently waiting for a third blind purchase to arrive in a couple of weeks.

I think this question really comes down to whether we want this forum to be friendly to buyers or to sellers? I think it should lean as far as possible toward helping buyers even at the expense of hurting some sellers. This is because the process of buying a car is already heavily in the seller's favor -- both by the nature of the product and by the complexity of the transaction.

[garageboy]

I suppose I should pipe in here, since it appears my comments about that one-of-a-kind, rare collectable M5 may have possibly inspired this thread. And for that, I am sorry, since this thread has quickly become a pile of poo. If you come here and are honest, whether you car is a $1k car or a $17k car, you will have no problems. I vote for a solution that provides for precisely ZERO additional work for our Beamters. They do enough as it is. End of discussion.

If this were many years ago when the forum was just getting started, and we were proposing a "format" for the for sale advertisement, I probably would be at the top of the mountain shouting out what the criteria should be. But it's nearly 2014. I've been watching morons try to sell their BMWs online since long before MYE28 was around. Are you telling me that people don't know that when you sell a car here, people need to know where the fuck the car is? Or how much you're asking for it? Frankly, if a person is too stupid to know that these are vital details, it's not our job to hold their penis and show them the way. If they're asking $1k for a car and they don't put the mileage, big deal. If they're asking $17k for a collectable and they don't put the mileage, that IS a big deal. Are you going to make your automated for sale form account for that? It's silly. Besides, if someone is daff enough to come here and try to bullshit us, they deserve a big steaming pile of poo right in their mouth.

I would be happy to modify my original note to be even more sarcastic and irreverent, if you want to make it a sticky or perhaps we can even make an audio version, or if we're really being sarcastic, a video version. I still have my rustbucket parts car E28 to use as a prop if necessary. For now, I think we should just direct new members that might try to put something in For Sale right here:
http://www.mye28.com/viewtopic.php?t=119397

No change. Rules are for pussies. We operate on honor. I voted. We're at 83%.

[Jeremy]

Dude, I "vote" you do one of those "make-your-own-cartoon" things and make it all about how to post a for sale ad on an internet forum.

I bet it'd be hilarious.

[oldskool]

This thread is epic. I'm enjoying it about as much as that e21 thread.

Yeah but, 5 pages and no Beaver. I am sadface.

[waynet1]

This thread is epic. I'm enjoying it about as much as that e21 thread.

Yeah but, 5 pages and no Beaver. I am sadface.

Will this one help?



THIS is how to sell used cars.

NSFW

[Mab1957]

^^ hah hah "nothing sells cars like the cars themselves"

[BuzzBomb]

Title, pictures, description, location. Lock thread. Follow up in PMs. Too many know-it-alls imposing their views in full douche pack mentality, who have no intention/ability to purchase the item anyway. Proven over and over again.

[wkohler]

Pot meet kettle.

[BuzzBomb]

Pot meet kettle.

Full grown man meet loser living with his parents.