Posted: Feb 24, 2010 9:00 AM
Good points and interesting discussion. If you sell me the E24 B9, I'll get that automatic tranny replacedalpinacsi wrote:DURPILOT wrote:[
The quoted statement was more in the arena of jest than a serious statement....However, I agree the scrutiny can get out of control, but I would look at it as saving someone from a bad buy more-so than preventing a sale. Take this from someone who bought a car Ron Perry called a "fraud". Granted he corrected his statement later on, but that information served me as the buyer to look a little deeper (Ron and others, thanks for that). Was it fair for the seller/Marc? Probably not at the time, but the car was eventually vindicated in the posts on more than one forum and he sold it. Marc (like the guy on e-bay) told me what he knew and I followed up, but Marc was prepared for the bashing. This is more of an unprepared seller trying to get rid of a sensetive car than a witch-hunt.
I just think when it comes to the "special models" that are becoming extinct, Ron's words (however brash it may sound) are worth hearing. I would guess that seeing a fake M, Alpina, or Hatge, etc. really pisses him off as a purist which I sort of understand. Sort of how I feel when I see a fake Rolex.....Aren't any of the luxuries of life sacred??
Mye28.com......a tremendous resource. Just my .02
So in the style of so many here, lets just assume all Rolex watches are fake unless the bearer can provide proof otherwise. And then we can verbally bash the wearer and the watch until they submit to our banter.
If we want to raise awareness on a particular model, we should assist the owner with their claims or ask for validation instead of just arbitrarily yelling fraud and fake. This is done many times by people that should know better without anything to support their claims. This does nothing good for the community or the reputation of either party.
Again, I do not and never did think this was an "Alpina" but I was able to read the text and comprehend it well enough to understand that the vehicle was outfitted in many Alpina offerings but was unclear as to how they became. My initial thoughts were H&B or Miller & Norburn but from more recent post, it seems that it went to Alpina after it was purchased new for further enhancements. I previously had a euro 635 that had been purchased from a German dealer that was supplied new from that dealer with Alpina wheels, steering wheel and shift knob. It was then taken to Buchloe for the suspension package and minor engine tuning. The car received a dash plaque but with different numbering than any of the series cars and has full documentation and paper work to support all claims. I sold this car many years ago but it was not an "Alpina" but was an Alpina tuned car with documentation.
The Alpina dash plaques were available with full suspension kits and there were models that did not fit the norm. For instance; what was a B8? I have seen documentation from Alpina that stated if the car had less than 6000km(?), it could be used as the basis for one of their conversions. I am sure this was before they became a manufacturer and were still in the tuner stage.
Anyway, If I or others had listened to and believed many of the naysayers out there, the only real cars available would be the ones that were in their possession. I guess we could look at it this way "any publicity is good publicity"; just look at the numbers of people that are now looking at this auction and someone will be buying it.
ive had them in my blood for almost ten years now, the e28 is the keeper for sure if i can settle the rich runnig issues, otherwise im going to swap an m50 in! 