Bumper Liposuction -- Good, Bad, or Ugly?

[Joe in FL]

I'm sure they're better in a parking lot situation. I don't trust the euro bumpers to do anything but get damaged.

And look hella tizzite.

[wkohler]

I'm sure they're better in a parking lot situation. I don't trust the euro bumpers to do anything but get damaged.

And look hella tizzite.

I meant in some sort of crash situation - but yeah, they look nice.

[wkohler]

so again, all for it, doesnt help in a crash at all, just hype, probably would help if they were solid steel

Actually, that's the last thing you want. If that was the case, it would do more damage, since there is nothing to give up front. The aluminum bumpers crack, which I don't think they were designed to do, but they shouldn't be solid anything. Just look at a Chevy pickup truck or something after it hits something - all the energy is transferred to the passenger compartment, since it's the weakest point.

[Fred/Houston]

Rich,
I don't know what it is but I've NEVER been bumped in the past in any of my cars or trucks. I was standing still 3 times and I got hit because of people going into my lane because it appeared open.
I was already stopped, not jamming on the big brakes at all, I'm just sitting there...waiting and Wham!
The 4th time, I was doing about 20mph in slow traffic. As I passed a pick up truck he changed into my lane too early because he was cutting off the car in back of me and he underestimated my rear bumper and barely bumped it. What was I supossed to do, accelerate and hit the car in front of me?
Robin has been trying hard to say it's my fault too, but I was only in motion 1 time at 20mph. The other times I was just sitting there from anywhere from 5-20 seconds, I did not brake fast, and then got hit?
I cannot explain why or how this happened but it did.
Robin said he drove the car there for 15 years w/o getting hit,well, I drove for 35 years w/o ever getting hit and I was a delivery driver in N.Y.C. so I'm going to say the opposite. I've never been hit until I got this car.
I take none of the fault in getting bumped...period.
Btw,check your email for Thurs. night,hopefully I'll see you then.
Fred/Houston

[jgoodwill]

I think it looks good on some cars, but ghetto on others. I'll never do it again on one of my own cars- it just seems like a hack-job, no matter how "properly" it is executed.

Meh.

[tsmall07]

take a look at this e30, or e21, cant even tell
bumpers are almost non existent. if they really wanted those bumpers to work in an accident, they should explain why it doesnt stop it from looking loike this after,
so again, all for it, doesnt help in a crash at all, just hype, probably would help if they were solid steel

Next time you feel like you want to post something like this.......don't. You'll seem a lot more intelligent that way.....

Just look at a Chevy pickup truck or something after it hits something

The new trucks don't have solid bumpers, so I'll assume you're talking about old ones. I had a '96 f150 (obviously not a chebby, but similar) with a giant chrome 1/8" steel bumper. I took it in the woods and tapped a few trees with it and I got hit in the rear once. There was never a scratch on either bumper. The frame had a crumple zone that would help with energy transfer in the event of a big crash. I wish all of my vehicles had thick steel bumpers. They do what their name implies. The things they put on cars now should be called crackers or breakers. The only thing they're good for is emptying your wallet.

Back to the topic:
Bumper lipo looks alright. It looks best when the aluminum has been painted flat black. Euros are expensive and don't protect from a crash, but the looks are worth it. If you get rear ended, then their insurance company should pay you enough money to get new euros.

[wkohler]

Actually, I was referring to the stronger steel in the front of the structure (frame rails, etc). I never really consider the bumper.

Shawn, you're right. I didn't even look at the drip rail, just the door and the sunroof (yeah, some e21s had sunroofs too). That looks like the e21 drip rail, but the door trim doesn't look right for an e21.

Either way, lipoed bumpers look crappy.

[535ie28]

IM ALL FOR IT, i love the look of euro bumpers, and i dont think **aluminum**, shock backed bumpers really help in a crash.

take a look at this e30, or e21, cant even tell

bumpers are almost non existent. if they really wanted those bumpers to work in an accident, they should explain why it doesnt stop it from looking loike this after,

so again, all for it, doesnt help in a crash at all, just hype, probably would help if they were solid steel

First of all, those aren't US aluminum bumpers -- take a look at how they wrap around the driver's fender. Also, did you note the "cz" in the URL? Second, taking an extreme example and using it as evidence that the US bumpers aren't useful is a bullcrap argument. Your powers of logic and argument are severely lacking, dude.

That's an e28. They didn't help me either.

No, it isn't an E28. Look at the drip rail trim strip in this pic:



The E28 piece is straight at the back and also has no connector piece on it.

first of all, y so hostile? no need to bring your madness into here, just trying to continue argument,

second of all, this was a coupe on orig site, from what i can see, maybe back doors were pushed over stock lines so yeah, i think its an e30 or something.

yeah you may be right about my knowledge about e28s, and that its lacking, IM NEW HERE, but im a good argument maker, but since my knowledge isnt up to speed on these cars, dont make me look like a damn asshole in front of everyone just because i dont know about some dummb ass bumpers. personally i dont care what you think, steel or not. nobody was directing it to u personally, so dont take it personally, im not one to argue with a person with he same car as me, because that person could help me out probably later on, so knock off the attitude, for god sake.

who gives a flying fuck if they are cz or us bumpers? still, they do the same thing.

and i say they were aluminum because some bmw recycling plant was selling oem aluminum ones so, please, back off guy, nobodys yelling at u, dont yell at me about it tough guy, im trying to just find out cuz i dont know, im assuming

so again, y r u pissed?
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and another thing ive found out, aluminum cracks right? steel doesnt. it bends, thats what they make bridges out of. MY BUMPER IN THE REAR, UNDERNEATH IS CRACKING IN THE MIDDLE, I WILL TAKE A PICTURE IF YOU WANT PROOF. got something to say now? i guess i seem a little more intelligent to know that right? dont take your little attitude you get outside and bring it here, no need, now u yourself looks like an asshole, FYI

>shawn d and t small< love to for no reason, shut up

[tsmall07]

I believe you're the only one that is getting "pissed". The fact is, American bumpers do, in fact, protect your car in a minor collision much better than the euro bumpers do. You were incorrect when you said that it doesn't matter. Also, the crash depicted in the pictures you posted was obviously beyond the protection of any bumper. The argument here is about low speed incidences. Your argument is therefore irrelevant. You'd do better next time to not make irrational statements about a subject that you claim to not know much about.

And no one ever said that aluminum doesn't crack. The protection from the American bumpers come from the bumper shocks they are attached to. The bumpers slide in and out to dissipate the energy from a crash without damage to the car. FYI

[option00002]

[535ie28]

I believe you're the only one that is getting "pissed". The fact is, American bumpers do, in fact, protect your car in a minor collision much better than the euro bumpers do. You were incorrect when you said that it doesn't matter. Also, the crash depicted in the pictures you posted was obviously beyond the protection of any bumper. The argument here is about low speed incidences. Your argument is therefore irrelevant. You'd do better next time to not make irrational statements about a subject that you claim to not know much about.

now im getting pissed off youre right. i know it was euro bumpers, i dont care, nobody here is going to get into an accident where these bumpers wil actually help, theyre aluminum, so shut up kid. i was talking about us bumpers and how theyre almost just as bad

and do u realize u started this mindless argument over some stupid ass bumpers? u never had to say what you did, but you did. my argument is relevant, in that somebody said euro bumpers are useless, my argument is that u.s. are too, because if you get in a small accident, where the bumpers would work, chances are, they will crack. especially if the shocks bottom out. probably explains where the crack came from on mine too, so who is irrelevant? you're just plain funny

[Shawn D.]

first of all, y so hostile? no need to bring your madness into here, just trying to continue argument,

Ah, the old "attack the person" trick. I'm not being hostile, just disagreeing.

yeah you may be right about my knowledge about e28s, and that its lacking, IM NEW HERE, but im a good argument maker, but since my knowledge isnt up to speed on these cars, dont make me look like a damn asshole in front of everyone just because i dont know about some dummb ass bumpers.

I'm not making you look like that, you are.

personally i dont care what you think, steel or not. nobody was directing it to u personally, so dont take it personally, im not one to argue with a person with he same car as me, because that person could help me out probably later on, so knock off the attitude, for god sake.

Well, excuse me, it seemed you were directing the comment at my last opinion stated about the Euro bumpers. Knock off the attitude? Being correct isn't an attitude. Getting pissy 'cause you've been proven wrong is an attitude. It's also "attitude" to come onto a board and admit not knowing much about the cars in question, then suggesting I'd better be nice 'cause I might need your help some time.

who gives a flying fuck if they are cz or us bumpers? still, they do the same thing.

Do you know what "cz" stands for, smart guy? The Czech Republic. That means they're steel Euro bumpers.

and i say they were aluminum because some bmw recycling plant was selling oem aluminum ones

Once again, you are wrong. First, the pictures say so. Second, the Czech location says so.

so, please, back off guy, nobodys yelling at u, dont yell at me about it tough guy, im trying to just find out cuz i dont know, im assuming

so again, y r u pissed?

It's kind of funny that you're telling me that nobody is yelling at me while you're in the middle of yelling at me. Yet again, you say you know then you say you don't know. Oh, it's so confusing!

and another thing ive found out, aluminum cracks right? steel doesnt. it bends, thats what they make bridges out of. MY BUMPER IN THE REAR, UNDERNEATH IS CRACKING IN THE MIDDLE, I WILL TAKE A PICTURE IF YOU WANT PROOF. got something to say now?

Ah, so you're a metallurgist now?

i guess i seem a little more intelligent to know that right?

No.

dont take your little attitude you get outside and bring it here, no need, now u yourself looks like an asshole, FYI

>shawn d and t small< love to for no reason, shut up

Note that nobody has called you a name or told you to shut up. You're the one who is behaving in a disruptive manner.

I believe you're the only one that is getting "pissed". The fact is, American bumpers do, in fact, protect your car in a minor collision much better than the euro bumpers do. You were incorrect when you said that it doesn't matter. Also, the crash depicted in the pictures you posted was obviously beyond the protection of any bumper. The argument here is about low speed incidences. Your argument is therefore irrelevant. You'd do better next time to not make irrational statements about a subject that you claim to not know much about.

now im getting pissed off youre right. i know it was euro bumpers, i dont care, nobody here is going to get into an accident where these bumpers wil actually help, theyre aluminum, so shut up kid. i was talking about us bumpers and how theyre almost just as bad

and do u realize u started this mindless argument over some stupid ass bumpers? u never had to say what you did, but you did. my argument is relevant, in that somebody said euro bumpers are useless, my argument is that u.s. are too, because if you get in a small accident, where the bumpers would work, chances are, they will crack. especially if the shocks bottom out. probably explains where the crack came from on mine too, so who is irrelevant? you're just plain funny

You're getting pissed off because we're right? That bodes well for a beautiful relationship.

The statement was made that your point was irrelevant, not that you were irrelevant. Do you understand the difference? You're the one who's doing the personal attacks here, not anyone else as far as I can tell.

The consensus is that cracks in the aluminum rear bumpers on US bumpers are due to annealing through heat stress due to the exhaust -- and this is on cars with no history of the bumper being hit. The front bumpers never exhibit this problem.

Further, my 535i was hit so hard in the rear that the back end bent down over two inches, the quarter panels were shoved under the rear door edges, and even the C-pillars were bent. The aluminum rear bumper did not crack, even though the shocks were fully compressed. It's still on the car nine years later and has even been hit in traffic twice and it's still in fine shape.

So, are you gonna stop diggin' that hole?

[535ie28]

omg i have more important things to worry about then what you think is right, fuck you, fuck the other dude, dont care, go find something else to do

[KillerPM]

(Edited for length)...

The consensus is that cracks in the aluminum rear bumpers on US bumpers are due to annealing through heat stress due to the exhaust -- and this is on cars with no history of the bumper being hit. The front bumpers never exhibit this problem.

Further, my 535i was hit so hard in the rear that the back end bent down over two inches, the quarter panels were shoved under the rear door edges, and even the C-pillars were bent. The aluminum rear bumper did not crack, even though the shocks were fully compressed. It's still on the car nine years later and has even been hit in traffic twice and it's still in fine shape.

So, are you gonna stop diggin' that hole?

Shawn, well put.

I can also confirm the US alunimum bumper cracking theory. My rear one is cracked (on the bottom right above the exhaust) and my front one is fine. My logic says it has to be from the exhaust.

omg i have more important things to worry about then what you think is right, fuck you, fuck the other dude, dont care, go find something else to do

Sir, you are loser. If you don't like the responses given to you, even when they are well put and logical, go find somewhere else to stir shit. We don't need the 5 year old attitude here.

[Shawn D.]

Shawn, well put.

Thanks, Peter.

[vance]

omg i have more important things to worry about then what you think is right, fuck you, fuck the other dude, dont care, go find something else to do

Let me guess, where the proper places are to put punctuation and capitalization in a sentence. Sorry Shawn, just thought you might have been busy.

Vance

[Shawn D.]

omg i have more important things to worry about then what you think is right, fuck you, fuck the other dude, dont care, go find something else to do

Let me guess, where the proper places are to put punctuation and capitalization in a sentence. Sorry Shawn, just thought you might have been busy.

I like to let Y'all have some scraps once in a while.

[jgoodwill]

This sounds like a case where someone should have trolled for a bit before posting. Fookin' newbs.

[535ie28]

whatever you say, you all are the same, the way you all say things about a fellow e28 owner really put this car to shame (dont post another saying "oh youre the one thats a shame) haha, thats real original. the type of people that actually own this car are the 'losers' to think i respected you people? whos the 5 year olds pickin on some new e28 owner, sorry my mom didnt die sooner for me to have it, so i can know more. you people are a disgrace, sorry for putting in my .02 earlier then, i dont need to know a lot about it now

i thought you all were cool with your sick looking e28's with, engine and other mods everywhere, now i really cant respect any of you, or at least the ones posting shit about me because im new. im done, like i said, i have other important things to deal with then rude ass people.

[jgoodwill]

whatever you say, you all are the same, the way you all say things about a fellow e28 owner really put this car to shame (dont post another saying "oh youre the one thats a shame) haha, thats real original. the type of people that actually own this car are the 'losers' to think i respected you people? whos the 5 year olds pickin on some new e28 owner, sorry my mom didnt die sooner for me to have it, so i can know more. you people are a disgrace, sorry for putting in my .02 earlier then, i dont need to know a lot about it now

i thought you all were cool with your sick looking e28's with, engine and other mods everywhere, now i really cant respect any of you, or at least the ones posting shit about me because im new. im done, like i said, i have other important things to deal with then rude ass people.

Consider it a hazing. This is a great community- just be sure you know wtf you are talkin' 'bout before you post. Do not state opinions as facts.There are some very knowledgable people on here- so heresay and opinions will get you shot down in a heartbeat. Everyone gets it at some point. Chill for a couple of hours, and come back. Without this crew, my ride would be in the scrapheap by now.

[535ie28]

when i post opinions, i post it as facts so that i can hear a pleasant argument of the other side, not insulting my intelligence, thats a little uncalled for, knocking on my use of punctuation and what not, thats a little over the top. for no reason. i see where youre coming from though

[535ie28]

back to what i said a lot earlier, how do you do lipo like step by step, tools needed etc, i dont wanna do it wrong and make a mistake, if i decide to keep the car

[option00002]

This a well documented topic in the archives. I would heartily recommend utilizing the search function for such a request.

http://www.mye28.com/viewtopic.php?t=11 ... iposuction

[535ie28]

thanks. so drill at the top, what size bit should be used? *that post is kinda old, dont wanna beat a dead horse now*

[option00002]

You may want to start your own post if you can't find it in the archives. I would also suggest typing in the search window "bumper + lipo" (dropping the quotes). Further, if you find someone else who has performed the mod. in the archives you can PM them (particularly with the 'splitting hairs' question of what size bit to use) directly.

This practice has delivered good results with me.

[535ie28]

aight, ill do that, thanks for the help though, i wish more people could be a lil nicer, maybe they'll grow up

[KillerPM]

aight, ill do that, thanks for the help though, i wish more people could be a lil nicer, maybe they'll grow up

Since you seemed to have calmed down a bit, I will answer your questions here.

The size of the drill bit is not really important. Things to consider when choosing a drill bit really are the size of screw you are going to put in its place after all the drilling is complete. The bit should be slightly smaller so the teeth get some bite.

Here are the steps to do it:

Get the drill and the appropriate bit.
Grab a towel that you dont want anymore
Start drilling into the bottom of the shock while it is attached to the car.
Before the bit goes all the way through rap the drill bit all around with the towel. Once you get through the oil sprays everywhere. It really smells and doesn't taste very good.
Wait for the oil to drain from the shock.
Drill the other side (or middle and other side if you are doing the back) using the same "catch the nasty oil with the towel" technique.
Using a hammer and a peice of wood tap the bumper in until it is as far back as you want it.
Put the drill back in to the hole you drilled and drill into the center of the shock.
Put your screw in to hold the bumper in place.

Thats basically how it goes. When I did it I got covered with the nasty smelly oil. Learn from my mistake.

[Tammer in Philly]

now i really cant respect any of you, or at least the ones posting shit about me because im new. im done, like i said, i have other important things to deal with then rude ass people.

It's not 'cause you're new, it's 'cause you're acting like a dumbass. Whatever, don't let the door hit you ....

-tammer

[BMWgiant]

aight, ill do that, thanks for the help though, i wish more people could be a lil nicer, maybe they'll grow up

Dude, I am new to this thread but just read through it.... Yes, E28'ers could be dicks, but none came off as a bigger one than yourself... If you are new to a community, best bet is usually to ignore the people who bother you and keep your negative comments to yourself.. Especially since you may not know who is most influential and could possibly give you the most help in the future... I didn't see any serious personal attacks until after you bit back... I usually don't comment on things like this, but from an outsiders view of this thread... You made yourself look really bad.. Maybe I am just used to the grammar corrections and helpful E28 factoids that are sometimes bluntly given, but damn... Your reactions were horrible!!! I am not holding this thread against you in anyway, I hope that you can redeem yourself and hopefully be a great contribution to this site.. The people here are all great guys and have huge hearts, they just like to correct people when they see something wrong.. Welcome to the site and hopefully you will give everybody another chance!! Good luck on your E28 adventures!!

[Terry Mustoe]

1. Remove cowlings;

2. Puncture bumper shock;

3. Push in bumpers;

4. Secure bumpers;

5. Secure cowlings.

So easy a newbie can do it...