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I'm intrigued, about what you do when you get to the office.
Do you hand your gun in at the front desk or do you just carry it all day. Do you ever take your jacket off?

JohnH wrote:I'm intrigued, about what you do when you get to the office.

Usually us Americans just start shooting people, it keeps everyone on their toes at least until first break.....it helps to target the fat people, at least it keeps the less motivated from the Crispy Creams. By lunch everyone is either bleeding profusely or out of ammo. I can usually rob a corner market, that takes balls with an empty gun, hit few gun shops..you can only buy 1 bullet per visit, I get at least a half a clip every time , If I'm lucky I can still be back in time to catch that one nipple whore of a secratary in the copy room.....a little pistol whipping makes for a great nooner. After that I hideout in the shitter until everyone is back and the gunfire has trickled down to the occasional pop. It works but I usually have to put up with Ted from HR...he's one of those unarmed girly men, so it's kinda "fuas paux" to just shoot him. He gets on my nerves...all twitchy and smiling...I swear when I stare at him hard enough I can see the camera they implanted in his retina...I know. A good trick is to take a few potshots at the replacements just to let them know what's up. I do it from the next cubicle over just in case of retaliation, that way I get the drop on any of the smarter ones. After work I used to put on the black face paint and do a few driveby's in the poor part of town, but lately it's been really boring. The colored folk stopped reacting to incoming fire and didn't seem to care when the person they were talking to dropped dead. So, I've been practicing my road rage and I'm getting better. I love the hands on feel of randomly kicking someones ass. But if that doesn't work out I just make up an excuse to beat on that bitch of a wife...she didn't bring my beer fast enough or get the toe jam from my pinkie toe. "My pork chops are greasy" works every time...the dumb look on her face makes a great target to throw my plate at. Stupid bitch. Ocasionally I'll catch one of those bastard little kids sneaking out of their room...a swift kick in the ribs takes care of that...if you can tolerate the whining. Off to bed for some lovin...headache my ass, I'm not sticking it in your ear so shut up. I swear if the tires on my Trans Am were made of pussy, they'd never wear out. I'm usually up real late finishing off that twelve pack cuz I know that's when they come to put stuff in my food. Well take care, is was kinda nice talking to a communist, just don't tell my buddies, they might think I'm a queer and I don't want to be on the recieving end of the train we run on that last one. Well, god bless.

JohnH wrote:I'm intrigued, about what you do when you get to the office.
Do you hand your gun in at the front desk or do you just carry it all day. Do you ever take your jacket off?

It depends on the type of holster you use, and the policy of your employer. You must also understand concealed carry is regulated by the individual States, therefore the laws and regulation vary from State to State.

In Texas if an employer has a written policy stating you cannot carry concealed on company property, ie; inside office buildings or company owned / leased vehicles, you can't carry. However that restriction does not extend to your personal vehicle parked in the parking lots or garages on the company property. This is to prevent your employer from impacting your right to carry going to and from your place of employment.

C.R. Krieger wrote:I already told Brian I'd quit - so you can, too.

Sorry, I didn't catch that.

JohnH wrote:I'm intrigued, about what you do when you get to the office.
Do you hand your gun in at the front desk or do you just carry it all day. Do you ever take your jacket off?

There are different carry methods, and obviously different sizes of weapons folks carry. Unless your weapon presents an outline on your clothing (called "printing"), there's no need for a jacket. If you take a look at this (slightly outdated -- there are more available now), you can see that many are under an inch wide and around 3.5"x5" in height/length. For example, if you put a Taurus TCP in one of these, it'll easily fit in a pocket; if you're wearing an un-tucked shirt (i.e. Hawaiian, camp, or even a polo), it's unlikely to be noticed. There are hundreds of variations on methods -- search on "concealed carry methods."

Rich Euro M5 wrote:In Texas if an employer has a written policy stating you cannot carry concealed on company property, ie; inside office buildings or company owned / leased vehicles, you can't carry. However that restriction does not extend to your personal vehicle parked in the parking lots or garages on the company property. This is to prevent your employer from impacting your right to carry going to and from your place of employment.

The exception to that is the Federal rule that carves out an exception for defense contractors -- you can't bring them onto company grounds, even in your car in the parking lot. My Georgia Weapons Carry License also specifically states that the grounds of nuclear power plants are off limits.

Rich Euro M5 wrote:

JohnH wrote:I'm intrigued, about what you do when you get to the office.
Do you hand your gun in at the front desk or do you just carry it all day. Do you ever take your jacket off?

It depends on the type of holster you use, and the policy of your employer. You must also understand concealed carry is regulated by the individual States, therefore the laws and regulation vary from State to State.

In Texas if an employer has a written policy stating you cannot carry concealed on company property, ie; inside office buildings or company owned / leased vehicles, you can't carry. However that restriction does not extend to your personal vehicle parked in the parking lots or garages on the company property. This is to prevent your employer from impacting your right to carry going to and from your place of employment.

Rich, isn't there a challenge ongoing to the garage theme here in Texas? I understand where I work in the energy corridor that no firearms are permitted on the premiss including the parking garage? I took my car piece out and leave it @ home unless I'm traveling. Additionally in the company in-briefing it was stated that the security officers on the premises can search your vehicle for these things with refusal being grounds for immediate termination & criminal prosecution. Not sure how this happens legally, but apparently it has in the past according to the gossip.

Mike W. wrote:

Brian in TN wrote:
If you dont condone the right to bear arms, PLEASE DO NOT RESPOND TO THIS THREAD.

While most regulars know or can guess my opinions on the subject, the part that bothers me is that in caps, essentially saying I'm posting this for discussion, but if you don't agree with me don't even bother responding. And even the first part is vague, but that's another discussion.

The topic of the thread is not "what are your opinions on guns and concealed carry in general". The topic is "if you do carry concealed, what do you think about condition 1?". Brian was just asking for people to stay on topic.

tsmall07 wrote:

Mike W. wrote:

Brian in TN wrote:
If you dont condone the right to bear arms, PLEASE DO NOT RESPOND TO THIS THREAD.

While most regulars know or can guess my opinions on the subject, the part that bothers me is that in caps, essentially saying I'm posting this for discussion, but if you don't agree with me don't even bother responding. And even the first part is vague, but that's another discussion.

The topic of the thread is not "what are your opinions on guns and concealed carry in general". The topic is "if you do carry concealed, what do you think about condition 1?". Brian was just asking for people to stay on topic.

Thank you Mr Small. This was my intention of the thread.

slimdevil27 wrote:Usually us Americans just start shooting people

You said it. might I recommend less cheese with your pizza.

w0014170 wrote:

Rich Euro M5 wrote:

JohnH wrote:I'm intrigued, about what you do when you get to the office.
Do you hand your gun in at the front desk or do you just carry it all day. Do you ever take your jacket off?

It depends on the type of holster you use, and the policy of your employer. You must also understand concealed carry is regulated by the individual States, therefore the laws and regulation vary from State to State.

In Texas if an employer has a written policy stating you cannot carry concealed on company property, ie; inside office buildings or company owned / leased vehicles, you can't carry. However that restriction does not extend to your personal vehicle parked in the parking lots or garages on the company property. This is to prevent your employer from impacting your right to carry going to and from your place of employment.

Rich, isn't there a challenge ongoing to the garage theme here in Texas? I understand where I work in the energy corridor that no firearms are permitted on the premiss including the parking garage? I took my car piece out and leave it @ home unless I'm traveling. Additionally in the company in-briefing it was stated that the security officers on the premises can search your vehicle for these things with refusal being grounds for immediate termination & criminal prosecution. Not sure how this happens legally, but apparently it has in the past according to the gossip.

You and Shawn are correct about exceptions to the rules. My post was more general in nature. Federal buildings, other public buildings with Courts and their offices contained within, powerplants, refineries, etc are all off limits to concealed carry.

If you have practiced draw, rack and fire, then you need to practice draw and fire. This can be done just in dry fire practice at home. Unloaded is preferable , leave the mag in another room. Also a great time for practicing sight transition. Pick a point on a threatening plant or mean teddy bear and lock your focus, draw, and as the sights come into your sight line to target, start your squeeze as you shift focus/acquire the front sight.

The mind is funny thing about repetition, even when new information is added about a new or different way to do things, it will often default under stress or as a matter of reflex. I used to have a very nice Browning pump shotgun. The only thing I didn't like was the thumb activated safety, exactly like a Mossberg. Growing up all I'd shot was Remington 870's and still do. The Browning had been out 5-6 times for sporting clays or informal clay shooting but when I decided to give it a try at dove hunting, things didn't go so well. I had spooked a pair out of a drywash, I started my swing as I mounted the gun, it came to shoulder, I got my lead and pulled...nothing....I pulled again and then fingered the safety. The safety was on. And it wasn't on the trigger guard. The 12 plus years of duck, dove, pheasant and rabbit hunting..plus sporting clays with an 870...I wasn't going to change that ingrained handling with half a dozen outings with the Browning. I decided to sell it, there wasn't anything it did better than an 870, it just looked pretty doing it.

One thing you may run into, and the reason I don't like Glocks, is the grip angle. Take a look at the palm of your hand. Starting just below the knuckle of your index finger, between it and the web of your thumb, there is a crease that runs at an angle to the outer edge of your hand. The angle formed by that crease and your index finger is the 1911 grip angle. The reason is simple. When you extend your arm to point at something, the grip angle is such that it naturally aligns the barrel where you are pointing. Shotgunners for centuries have known how to take advantage of natural point of aim. Custom fitting of a shotgun is nothing more than adjusting the stock length, comb drop and cast so that when mounted the barrel is directly in line with your eye. The very act of mounting the shotgun also "aims" it. This means it will shoot where you are looking. Now, take your Glock. Pick a point on the wall and focus on it. Start with the Glock hanging at your side with a good grip and your index finger pointing along the side. Close your eyes and raise the Glock to your focal point. Freeze your arm and open your eyes. Any handgun that fits you should have the sights aligned by this simple action. On the Glock, instead of seeing that front sight nestled into the rear, most likely you will be seeing the rear sight, the top of the slide and the front sight. It will be pointing up.You'll see the same thing with Luger's and Ruger .22's. That bastard of a grip has probably saved countless lives of those on the wrong side of the gun. I am a firm believer in fitting firearms to the users natural point of aim. I need hits and I need them as easy and as natural as pointing at my target. That's not to say don't use the sights, but a small correction is all that should be needed when it's brought to target.

Personally, I want a manual safety. I'd get an XD or search "Robar Glock" for information on a grip reduction to correct the grip angle. There is also a kit to add a manual, frame mounted safety to a Glock. It only requires a small notch be cut in the frame. The addition of a safety is the only way I would consider a reduction in trigger pull, from both a legal and a safety standpoint.

Carry the way you are comfortable, whether it's condition 1 or 2, just practice it. I think it was the Israeli's that did the draw rack and fire...the point is that you can learn to do that just as fast as most people can draw. Yes, there are situations that it will be a definite hindrance or outright deadly to carry condition 2, but then again you are always at a disadvantage when REACTING to a threat. I think the addition of a safety would ease your concerns about condition 1 carry and add a level of safety against NGs, a disarming or unauthorized handling.

I've carried on and off the job for over 20 years. Get a good holster. I'm not a fan of the Uncle Mike's stuff. At work, I have a nice Safariland ALS paddle holster. It is the finest holster I have ever had the pleasure of wearing and I highly recommend it.

I carried a Glock for about 15 years and would not consider carrying it without a round in the chamber. That said, Glocks (all of them) are too big for me to feel comfortable carrying concealed. I have a 22 and a 27.

When I carry concealed, I usually carry my Ruger LCP, also with one in the chamber. I have a nice Fobus paddle holster for it.

One vote against.

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2012/0 ... es_du.html

As I said, get a good holster. That is very a very unfortunate situation. I will continue to carry my weapon in a condition that it will be ready when I need it and it will be safe for me and those around me.