help me spool up!

[turbodan]

What does being in HS have to do with the way it would perform. Is there some relationship between age and ability.

Yes, absolutely. Ability, experience, problem solving, intelligence in general.

[jaredd624]

okay i know when i have lost please excuse MY arrogance. however i remain that a few dumbass comments could have been spared

it is apparent i need ALOT of a FEW things ie. time money knowledge . but to start fresh can it be answered that the TCD kit will be the best (least expensive slightly less hassle) way to go? and for you who have done turbo builds what else is necessary i have done some homework i know i'll need essentially a brand new fuel delivery system and lots of time spent tuning. and again apologies to those included in my hissy fit.

[jaredd624]

Uhhh, yea. You said it...DELUSIONS. Building a turbo car on a high school kids budget is stupid unless you have daddy's money or mad skillz. If he has one or both, fine. Just realize that if you do not, it will be a shitbox money pit. Have fun bumping dicks with the OP. Tell me which part of this statement says that this is a good fucking idea??!?

i have an 88 535IS and im ready to get a turbo build going....however i am but a poor highschool student on a budget and realy know very little about power adding and such im looking for information on a cheap bare bones turbo settup any help is appreciated.

Condensed version:

I don't know shit about this expensive proposition, and have no money, but think I will do it anyway. Please help me.

i couldn't care less about your opinions to be honest with you i see your name all over this forum actually assumed you might be one to help. guess nobody is right everytime. however im glad you spent part of your many many hours on this forum, on me.

have a nice day sir.

[Jeremy]

to start fresh can it be answered that the TCD kit will be the best (least expensive slightly less hassle) way to go? and for you who have done turbo builds what else is necessary

Yes, the TCD kit is a very good way to go, particularly if you lack the skills or time to build your own kit. However, buying a kit does not obviate a critical need to understand what you'll be doing, and (critically) WHY you'll be doing certain things.

Corky Bell's book is a good start. This forum is also chalk full of information. Nobody's going to spend the hours it would take to type out every last morsel of information you might need. One, I get the impression you might not read it all anyway. Two, nobody here knows your exact knowledge level except you. I get the impression that you're at a point where you're not really aware of what you don't know, and that's really dangerous when setting out on a project like this.

Go read. If you get stuck on a specific topic, ask. You will thank us all later.

Jeremy

PS - Don't pick fights with people on the board (especially Kyle). It'll go badly. You'll see what we've all been trying to tell you soon enough when you start doing your research.

[jaredd624]

i have been reading, i am aware i dont know everything or even a fraction of what i need to know.not once have i claimed to. i may be young but i am aware.i started this simply asking for information, not every detail but but common things and what experienced people might think would be easier. excuse my little fits but i dont stand being talked down to nor would you. what kind of man would i be if i simply let that go.

[Jeremy]

what kind of man would i be if i simply let that go.

In most cases? A better one than the person that took the cheap shot to begin with. Shrug it off and move on, don't take it personally. Your long term health and well being will be much improved for it.

[jaredd624]

what kind of man would i be if i simply let that go.

In most cases? A better one than the person that took the cheap shot to begin with. Shrug it off and move on, don't take it personally. Your long term health and well being will be much improved for it.

valid.

[Rich Euro M5]

i have been reading, i am aware i dont know everything or even a fraction of what i need to know.not once have i claimed to. i may be young but i am aware.i started this simply asking for information, not every detail but but common things and what experienced people might think would be easier. excuse my little fits but i dont stand being talked down to nor would you. what kind of man would i be if i simply let that go.

And start using proper capitalization. Your posts are hard to read, and many here simply won't bother reading them. "fixed"

[mooseheadm5]

i have been reading, i am aware i dont know everything or even a fraction of what i need to know.not once have i claimed to. i may be young but i am aware.i started this simply asking for information, not every detail but but common things and what experienced people might think would be easier. excuse my little fits but i dont stand being talked down to nor would you. what kind of man would i be if i simply let that go.

And start using proper capitalization. Your posts are hard to read, and many here will simply won't bother reading them.

Indeed. People are much more likely to help if your posts are easy to read, clear, and concise.

At any rate, keep reading and definitely check out that Corkey Bell book. It should be available in the library, but is not too expensive.

[jaredd624]

Punctuation is a resonable request haha. ( you should see my handwriting). I'll be checking the library for the book tomorow but I'm sure my ho- bunk little redneck town's library wont have it. Or i may just get it off of amazon but to clarify is it the one that has "maximum boost" in red letters on it? I ask becasue there are several results.

And for good measure i again apologize for my arrogance and tantrum.

[mooseheadm5]

Yes, "Maximum Boost" is the one you are looking for. You should also fill out your profile so we know where you are. That way if someone close has the book they may lend it to you.

[Ken H.]

Jared, you deserve some kind of props for being willing to man up and acknowledge making a less-than-stellar first impression.
That being said, Corky Bell's book needs to be augmented with A. Graham Bell's Forced Induction Performance Tuning. Available thru Amazon for about $35, it is some of the best money you could possibly spend as an intro to turbocharging. Take the time to read and thoroughly understand what both authors have to say.
Both books should raise as many questions in your mind as they answer. This is a good thing. Forced Induction is anything but a slam-dunk piece of engineering, so take your time.

[jaredd624]

Excellent looks like I'll begin my turbo build with schooling. Despite this looking to be one hell of a job, I remain committed. When I actually start buying and building i will start a thread, and i hope i have not lost respect from everyone, so i may still receive help from those who are experienced

[shocka]

Any pics of your car?

[jaredd624]

Any pics of your car?

honestly....i can't get them posted it says they're too big so any help there and ill have them up in no time

[SuperCharger.Heaven]

I'm curious as to why you wouldn't want to first upgrade the suspension and/or brakes before adding power?

[Ken H.]

I'm curious as to why you wouldn't want to first upgrade the suspension and/or brakes before adding power?

<<sigh>> has to do with the 'bling' coefficient, my man.
Ties in large measure to the suggestion that $$ spent on driver's schools can get you places a lot quicker than $$$ spent on tricking out one's sled. Again, no 'bling' factor.

Nevermind that the former may have the intangible benefit of keeping your ass alive.

From what I've seen, assuming your E28 had had its brakes and suspension "baselined" to assure no trash in there, the stock capabilities of our cars are significantly beyond the skills level of 95+% of those individuals operating said car.
After all, 98% of us are above average, right?
Flame suit on.

[SuperCharger.Heaven]

Since he's throwing around his karting cred, I thought it would be obvious to upgrade two of the three things (3rd is tires) to what is going to really allow him to go fast and to slow him down.

His first thought is big power/drag racing. His second thought is an e28? Wouldn't an LSx engine be easier and cheaper?

Not disparaging the mad genius it takes to make turbo e28s powerful. Just wondering about the logic

[Ken H.]

SC.H, let's cut the man some slack. He's apologized, very gracefully IMO, for starting off as an ass.
That being said, there are a considerable # of Big Dawgs on this forum who have, at one time, or currently are supporting a major 1/4 mile Jones. If quarters in an E28 make your eyes go vacant, who am I to argue? Not my thing, but whaddevah blows up yer dress . . .

[Duke]

I am happy to see that this thread has gone well. There is hope for the future.

jaredd624 - I will now give you my honest advice on this subject as I have A LOT of experience with it.

At this point in your life, you DO NOT want to FI your car. Even with a perfectly performing FI engine, your maintenance expenses will increase as you will want to increase boost. A young man full of testosterone cannot help it.......even older men less filled with testosterone can't help it

A great running NA (naturally aspirated ) 3.5L E28 will bring you lots of pleasure and also keep you out of trouble both legally and financially. I achieved ~250 HP out of my NA 3.5L and it was a rocket that saw over 150 MPH on the Autobahn (and in the states) several times.



Hit my WWW button to see a lot of info on the NA and FI engines I built.

[jaredd624]

I am happy to see that this thread has gone well. There is hope for the future.

jaredd624 - I will now give you my honest advice on this subject as I have A LOT of experience with it.

At this point in your life, you DO NOT want to FI your car. Even with a perfectly performing FI engine, your maintenance expenses will increase as you will want to increase boost. A young man full of testosterone cannot help it.......even older men less filled with testosterone can't help it

A great running NA (naturally aspirated ) 3.5L E28 will bring you lots of pleasure and also keep you out of trouble both legally and financially. I achieved ~250 HP out of my NA 3.5L and it was a rocket that saw over 150 MPH on the Autobahn (and in the states) several times.



Hit my WWW button to see a lot of info on the NA and FI engines I built.

I'm going to take your advice and let what power i have now be good enough, but how did you squeeze that power out?

Also for others assuming i went straight for power... you're wrong i have installed upgraded suspension (eibach springs and shocks) and Borbet style T wheels (used) with new Pirelli P-zero tires.i was going to upgrade brakes next ie drilled vented rotors and carbon ceramic pads (Brembo Big brake kits were a nice thought...), then i got curious about turbocharging...so sue me.

[mooseheadm5]

Don't think Borbets count as an upgrade (unless they replaced 14s or TRXs.) Skip the drilled rotors, but you can upgrade to E34 brakes cheaply. Bimmerguy2002 has them on sale in the Parts section. Next up is camber correction. As there is not any very cheap bolt on power available, learn to make the most of what you have before looking to upgrade. There are a few people that like to go to driver's schools in their E28s with no additional power upgrades, just suspension and brakes.

Out of curiosity, what shocks did you install?

See if you can get into a Teen Street Survival (sponsored by Tire Rack and the BMW CCA.) You get to drive your car on a closed course sideways.

[Duke]

but how did you squeeze that power out?

Click my "WWW" button at the bottom of this post.

[Rich Euro M5]

I'm going to take your advice and let what power i have now be good enough, but how did you squeeze that power out?

Duke had the advantage of being stationed in Germany. Because of this, his M535i had a dirty M30B34 high compression engine. At a lter date he acquired a Hartge head and headers, and installed a MAF conversion - "Operation Hartge" was the result.

You can do the same thing without the exotic and expensive to obtain Hartge parts. But it still take $$$s to extract 240 RWHP out of a NA 535i. However there are several low cost upgrades which will enhance engine performance and not break the bank. The formula is a low restriction exhaust system, installation of an M30B35 camshaft, and a Miller MAF / Warchip conversion. You'll can probably coax about 20 more HP out of a stock M30B34 by doing these few things. Beyond that, it takes increased compression, porting of the heads, etc. One of the best NA upgrades is to swap out the M30B34 and install a M30B35 with Motronic M1.3. For the cost of the engine a used engine with management system you get 208 HP as the starting point. Adding headers with a low restriction exhaust and Miller MAF / Warchip or standalone system like Megasquirt will make it even better, maybe 230 HP at the crank. The beauty of doing the M30B35 swap is it's an ideal starting point for FI when your budget can support it.

HTH

Rich

[jaredd624]

i installed shocks that came in eibach's sport system plus kit. but don't have the rest of the kit.

[jaredd624]

Don't think Borbets count as an upgrade (unless they replaced 14s or TRXs.) Skip the drilled rotors, but you can upgrade to E34 brakes cheaply. Bimmerguy2002 has them on sale in the Parts section. Next up is camber correction. As there is not any very cheap bolt on power available, learn to make the most of what you have before looking to upgrade. There are a few people that like to go to driver's schools in their E28s with no additional power upgrades, just suspension and brakes.

Out of curiosity, what shocks did you install?

See if you can get into a Teen Street Survival (sponsored by Tire Rack and the BMW CCA.) You get to drive your car on a closed course sideways.

also the borbets were a deffinate upgrade from the "cholo-esque" chrome wheels that were on when i bought the car back in april

[jaredd624]

but how did you squeeze that power out?

Click my "WWW" button at the bottom of this post.

I dream of achieving half of what you have done. Bravo.

[mooseheadm5]

Click my "WWW" button at the bottom of this post.

I dream of achieving half of what you have done.

If I were you I'd stop at half of what he has done. Go past that and there be dragons (blown head gaskets, hissy fits, and an eventual unfortunate relationship with a Ford powered British car.)

[M. Holtmeier]

If I were you I'd stop at half of what he has done..

Lol.

I think it's worth pointing out though, that no matter who you are, what you know or how much you spend- we've all had our set backs with this stuff. It's just part of the game.

[Duke]

I think it's worth pointing out though, that no matter who you are, what you know or how much you spend- we've all had our set backs with this stuff. It's just part of the game.

^THIS!