[QUOTE="a"]Booker, Guess what the latest wrinkle is up here re propane, which I do use for stove and hotwater. The insurance rate on their trucks just went through the roof. Something about terrorists. IDK the details, just that my local guys, Ken and Cal arent delivering anymore. . [/QUOTE]
Aw Geeze...
If we live in fear of terrorists, haven't they won?
Local Gas Stations starting to buck
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dcbrewmeister
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Mississippi is about 2500 miles from the northeast; the gulf coast is within 200 miles where all this NG is going to waste. Now figure out a way to transport it, store it, and distribute it to the whole northeast that doesn't cost the gas company a ton of money, and run all the pipes to all the homes your talking about, and you will quickly realize it's just cheaper AND easier for them to burn off the excess.
As far as propane for running your furnace? When it's 40 below 0 let me know how good your propane furnace is working. Heating oil tanks are most of time placed in the basement, to keep it from geling up. They won't let you put a propane tank inside your house because if it blows up your house will be gone. Propane has a bad tendancy of freezing in the dead of winter, they won't let you put a tank of any size right up next to your home so now you're going to have bury the line... 7feet in the ground. Let's talk about a 1000lb tank on every house in a small town, let's say 250 houses, small town right... 250,000lbs of propane... ever seen a propane tank blow up, we had one here in Nashville just a couple months ago let loose... People thought we were being attacked (it was close to the NG armory is why) and it was only a small tank, the one they used for filling propane bottles.
Most municipalities won't allow a tank above a certain size within city limits for a reason, they're dangerous.
As far as propane for running your furnace? When it's 40 below 0 let me know how good your propane furnace is working. Heating oil tanks are most of time placed in the basement, to keep it from geling up. They won't let you put a propane tank inside your house because if it blows up your house will be gone. Propane has a bad tendancy of freezing in the dead of winter, they won't let you put a tank of any size right up next to your home so now you're going to have bury the line... 7feet in the ground. Let's talk about a 1000lb tank on every house in a small town, let's say 250 houses, small town right... 250,000lbs of propane... ever seen a propane tank blow up, we had one here in Nashville just a couple months ago let loose... People thought we were being attacked (it was close to the NG armory is why) and it was only a small tank, the one they used for filling propane bottles.
Most municipalities won't allow a tank above a certain size within city limits for a reason, they're dangerous.
OK. You're right.
I forgot it doesn't cost anything to refine and transport heating oil...
Heating oil that was probably refined within 200 miles of the coast.
I'm sorry, but you cannot convince me that wasting NG is a good thing. If it is not worthwhile for heating homes, can we at least use it for something else? Or just burn it to atmosphere like we are now.
I forgot it doesn't cost anything to refine and transport heating oil...
Heating oil that was probably refined within 200 miles of the coast.
I'm sorry, but you cannot convince me that wasting NG is a good thing. If it is not worthwhile for heating homes, can we at least use it for something else? Or just burn it to atmosphere like we are now.
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dcbrewmeister
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Heating oil is just kerosene, and the methods of transport and storage have been in place for a very long time. Transporting and storing NG are not in place, so it would require changing a lot of equipment in homes that are already in place, stoves, furnaces, hot water heaters, all use slightly different burners and regulators to run NG, not to mention I'm not even sure if you can convert a furnace that runs heating oil to run NG... So know you have to ask enough people in a city to switch to make it cost effective to even put it in.Who's going to pay for it? The gas companies? You're asking a lot of a company that is in it for the money and not much else.
It all comes down to the almighty dollar... who's going to pay for it, that is all the gas companies want to know. If it's them, it's not going to happen unless they are going to make a profit, and they won't, they've known it for years that's why they won't even try.
Heating oil has been in place for at least 60-80 years in the north, everything is already there... Why change now? We're right back to it's easier AND cheaper for the oil companies just to burn it off. I'm not saying something better can't be done with it, but who will flip the bill? Not the oil companies, it's just brutal economics.
It all comes down to the almighty dollar... who's going to pay for it, that is all the gas companies want to know. If it's them, it's not going to happen unless they are going to make a profit, and they won't, they've known it for years that's why they won't even try.
Heating oil has been in place for at least 60-80 years in the north, everything is already there... Why change now? We're right back to it's easier AND cheaper for the oil companies just to burn it off. I'm not saying something better can't be done with it, but who will flip the bill? Not the oil companies, it's just brutal economics.
You have a point.
Maybe one day we will have a leader that is not in the big oil's pocket and will be willing to buck the trend and do something progressive.
Everyone loves to whine about fuel prices, but no one wants to actually DO anything about it.
It's the same old "It's been workin' fer years, why change it?" mentality. F that. Let's look ahead more than a week and start something that will help our children out.
Maybe one day we will have a leader that is not in the big oil's pocket and will be willing to buck the trend and do something progressive.
Everyone loves to whine about fuel prices, but no one wants to actually DO anything about it.
It's the same old "It's been workin' fer years, why change it?" mentality. F that. Let's look ahead more than a week and start something that will help our children out.
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dcbrewmeister
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[QUOTE="booker535"]You have a point.
Maybe one day we will have a leader that is not in the big oil's pocket and will be willing to buck the trend and do something progressive.
Everyone loves to whine about fuel prices, but no one wants to actually DO anything about it.
It's the same old "It's been workin' fer years, why change it?" mentality. F that. Let's look ahead more than a week and start something that will help our children out.[/QUOTE]
well said... but beware of the industry in any politicians pocket. oil may be in the limelight at the moment, but there are many other, greater evils out there.
Maybe one day we will have a leader that is not in the big oil's pocket and will be willing to buck the trend and do something progressive.
Everyone loves to whine about fuel prices, but no one wants to actually DO anything about it.
It's the same old "It's been workin' fer years, why change it?" mentality. F that. Let's look ahead more than a week and start something that will help our children out.[/QUOTE]
well said... but beware of the industry in any politicians pocket. oil may be in the limelight at the moment, but there are many other, greater evils out there.
I don't know what you guys are talking about, I'm from Upstate NY, been here all my life. 90% of municipality's run natural gas. Most towns larger than 10k people, at least. Smaller than that, then, yes, you are getting sketchy, some do, some don't. And, besides that, more and more people are switching to propane for heat over oil. Myself, my new apartment has electric heat. Personally, I think that economically, this winter at least, electric will be the hot ticket. Electricity prices haven't gone up 50% over last year, like kero and propane, as far as I know.