The final build: 12 valves of fury

Scottinva · Post by **Scottinva** » Jan 14, 2009 3:31 PM

Duke your smart, but you shouldn't make fun of his car. It's just more DIY than what you would have done.... I personally can't afford to put tons of money in my cars either, so on that note, awesome job Dan

stuartinmn · Post by **stuartinmn** » Jan 14, 2009 3:34 PM

Road and Track tested a 289 Tiger in September 1967, and came up with a 0-60 time of 7.5 seconds and a quarter mile in 16 seconds flat. That's just not very fast by 2009 standards (and it wasn't nearly the fastest car in 1967 either, for that matter.)

Don't get me wrong. Tigers are great cars, and I know you're rebuilding your engine so it will be faster than stock, but it's still apples and oranges to compare old cars to what's available off the showroom floor today. I know, I've been fooling around with old cars for close to 40 years now; I own a 348hp Bonneville that was one of the fastest cars on the street in its day but it's no comparison to modern technology.

You seem to have a need to talk smack and brag all the time, but you need to realize it just doesn't impress anyone.

Duke · Post by **Duke** » Jan 14, 2009 4:05 PM

stuartinmn wrote:it just doesn't impress anyone.

Nice blanket statement......so "everyone" has told you this?

stuartinmn · Post by **stuartinmn** » Jan 14, 2009 4:19 PM

Fair enough. I haven't polled the entire population of the planet on this subject, so I'll revise my previous statement to say that everyone I've talked to about your bragging and boasting is not impressed. If someone does step up to say they are, I'll make sure to let you know right away.

Entropy_Engineering · Post by **Entropy_Engineering** » Jan 14, 2009 5:16 PM

Dan who cares if anyone likes your car. We build fast cars to have fun. If you have fun putting fuzzy pink dice on it then go. I think a turbo under the hood is sexy enough. Form follows function. If you wanna make something pretty make it the back of your car. That's all most people will ever see anyway.

turbodan · Post by **turbodan** » Jan 14, 2009 5:20 PM

People seem to like it. Not for looks though. Its the perfect sleeper.

George · Post by **George** » Jan 14, 2009 8:46 PM

Dan's car is fucking awesome. Who gives a rats ass what it looks like. Its goes like stink.

Canuck YYC · Post by **Canuck YYC** » Jan 14, 2009 9:56 PM

Sleepers kick ass. It's all well and good to drive an Enzo or a screaming bright red Viper, but there's a sense of satisfaction and...gloating

that comes from using your rusty old beater to destroy the ego of the <whatever> driver beside you.

Having said that, my 535 is at the body shop for a new coat of paint and new front fenders...

babisbabou · Post by **babisbabou** » Jan 15, 2009 2:04 AM

Nice job there Dan and runs wells and fast as seen on the videos's of your car on youtube.com

Keep up the good work!!

jbd5015 · Post by **jbd5015** » Jan 15, 2009 5:34 PM

I actually think the engine bay looks great. only thing id do is clean the dust and grease off every now and again to make maintenance cleaner. definitely a great car to start with if you do get the bug to polish it up.

sounds awesome,

-Jeff

bimmerboy · Post by **bimmerboy** » Jan 15, 2009 8:12 PM

Duke wrote: We all can't put $$$$$$ into cars. I am happy that I can.

I'm really happy that I'm not a pompous ass hat.

turbodan · Post by **turbodan** » Jan 15, 2009 11:34 PM

bimmerboy wrote:
Duke wrote: We all can't put $$$$$$ into cars. I am happy that I can.

I'm really happy that I'm not a pompous ass hat.

That was kind of a bitchy comment, wasn't it.

For most its not a matter of what kind of $$$ they can put in, its what they want to put in.

e30-m30_kid89 · Post by **e30-m30_kid89** » Jan 15, 2009 11:49 PM

Come guys, no fighting!

Personally looks don't matter to me, and a car that looks like a POS and then whoops your ass is a really nice looking car

Turbodan have a proven working setup that does its job properly.
It's diy, but so what? doesn't mean becuase it wasn't a purchased "kit" its bad or a "hack".

Keep up the good work! Guys like you, Brad, George and Otis keep me inspired to work hard and build a good turbo set-up from scratch to exercise my diy spirit.

Duke from what i read you look like a knowledgeable member here, why the flaming?

Duke · Post by **Duke** » Jan 16, 2009 9:56 AM

Adam W in MN · Post by **Adam W in MN** » Jan 16, 2009 2:50 PM

I like sleepers as well, just wish mine had about 200 more rwhp.

Nice job on the DIY, Dan. It's certainly inspiring.

oldskool · Post by **oldskool** » Jan 17, 2009 6:59 PM

Asshat. I love that!
Turbodan and Duke at 5er Fest sharing a room. . . Priceless.

Duke · Post by **Duke** » Jan 17, 2009 7:07 PM

oldskool wrote: Turbodan and Duke at 5er Fest sharing a room. . . Priceless.

I call the bed!

rlomba8204 · Post by **rlomba8204** » Jan 17, 2009 10:11 PM

Looks good.

How is the intake routed? It looks like the cone filter mounts to the turbo, but that can't be right. What am I missing (no wise ass answers please

. . . . ).

Post by **Jeremy** » Jan 17, 2009 10:30 PM

rlomba8204 wrote:What am I missing?

A basic understanding of turbo systems.

Path for a molecule of air in a turbo'd motor:

Outside air -> Air filter -> Compressor side of turbo -> intercooler (if present) -> throttle body, intake manifold, engine, exhaust manifold -> turbine side of turbo -> exhaust

There might be other devices in some cases, but those will be present, in that order, in most. In Dan's case, he has a front mount air/air intercooler and the intake piping goes down from the turbo compressor outlet, turns to the front, through the intercooler, then back and up to the throttle.

Jeremy

rlomba8204 · Post by **rlomba8204** » Jan 17, 2009 10:34 PM

Jeremy wrote:
rlomba8204 wrote:What am I missing?
A basic understanding of turbo systems.

Path for a molecule of air in a turbo'd motor:

Outside air -> Air filter -> Compressor side of turbo -> intercooler (if present) -> throttle body, intake manifold, engine, exhaust manifold -> turbine side of turbo -> exhaust

There might be other devices in some cases, but those will be present, in that order, in most. In Dan's case, he has a front mount air/air intercooler and the intake piping goes down from the turbo compressor outlet, turns to the front, through the intercooler, then back and up to the throttle.

Jeremy

Ok Wiseguy. When you have an infant and get two hours of sleep . . . .

I guess where I am confused is where is the tube between the compressor side of the turbo to the intake manifold?

Thank you.

turbodan · Post by **turbodan** » Jan 17, 2009 10:35 PM

The cone sits above the ABS hydro unit and is routed to the compressor inlet through a coffee can and 90 degree 4" coupler. The compressor outlet heads down and under the ABS hydro unit where it turns around and comes out in the lower front valance. From there it turns upward into the intercooler which occupies the space the A/C condenser used to mount in, like this:

On the cooled side of the intercooler it turns under the battery tray and comes up along the drivers side frame rail and back into the engine compartment.

rlomba8204 · Post by **rlomba8204** » Jan 17, 2009 10:43 PM

That makes sense to me now. Thx.

Scottinva · Post by **Scottinva** » Jan 17, 2009 11:01 PM

I like how you fit the intercooler in more of a stock location, whereas brad had to do a lot of chopping. Looks like your install was a little bit cleaner.

turbodan · Post by **turbodan** » Jan 17, 2009 11:04 PM

Had to sacrifice the A/C though. Its a great place for it if you dont mind that. The front valance fits over the cooler and plumbing.

Scottinva · Post by **Scottinva** » Jan 17, 2009 11:08 PM

Yea, well for you it's just a go out at night play car anyway correct? Also you lost a reasonable amount of weight removing all the AC equipment.

turbodan · Post by **turbodan** » Jan 17, 2009 11:14 PM

It is used primarily for leisure and entertainment. The compromise is worthwhile IMO.

rundatrack · Post by **rundatrack** » Jan 18, 2009 12:20 PM

Duke wrote:

Nice job turbohack.

Forgiveness does not change the past, but it does enlarge the future......

rlomba8204 · Post by **rlomba8204** » Jan 19, 2009 10:44 AM

turbodan wrote: . . . leisure and entertainment. . .

I like the way you put that. I would imagine the car is very good at "leisure and entertainment."

Russianblue · Post by **Russianblue** » Jan 20, 2009 12:26 AM

Pronounced 'lezzure', i presume?

Dan runs the ultimate e28 R&D shop.

Duke just has the runs....of the mouth.

oob3r · Post by **oob3r** » Jan 20, 2009 3:19 AM

turbodan, looks like functionality took a front row seat and i like that - if my 'bay looks like yours when i'm done with the plumbing stage, i'll be a happy camper.
i think loss of a/c is acceptable too...just give me the rally roof vents!

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