Carrying in condition 1.

[M. Holtmeier]

(not so)Funny little scenario with the last couple of posts:

The Walgreens in my 'hood was held up by a guy with a shotgun. Thank god a good guy was carrying and put him down. Nobody else was hurt, the store was not robbed. The news started spewing how the robber's weapon wasn't even loaded. Not much time after this a young girl was pulled through the window of her car (just a few blocks from my house) and shot in the head for her purse. The news didn't have any snide remarks about the assailant's weapon in this instance.

Point is: bad things can happen where you are- you don't have to travel to them. If more people on the good side carried, there might be more of these stories that end happily.



Just a quick reminder of basic gun handling safety rules:
1.All guns are always loaded.
2.Never let the muzzle cover anything you are not willing to destroy.
3.Keep your finger off the trigger until your sights are on the target.
4.Be sure of your target and what is beyond it.

/threadjack. (Sorry to ruin your thread Brian, I know this stuff has been posted millions of times before)

[Cory]

I don't (autos only, of course) and have been criticized for not more often than not. I feel completely competent racking the slide if the need should ever tragically arise, but I just don't feel 100% safe with a round in the chamber.
I'd say that more than half think I'm wrong and they're not necessarily wrong, but I'm still not going to do it.
My revolvers are either a covered hammer or a heavy double-action so I'm less concerned about them. I do, though, feel a little edgy with a steel revolver in a Smart Carry right next to my balls even though it's perfectly fine. My aluminum revolver is for pocket carry in a nice holster.

[Brian in TN]

(not so)Funny little scenario with the last couple of posts:

The Walgreens in my 'hood was held up by a guy with a shotgun. Thank god a good guy was carrying and put him down. Nobody else was hurt, the store was not robbed. The news started spewing how the robber's weapon wasn't even loaded. Not much time after this a young girl was pulled through the window of her car (just a few blocks from my house) and shot in the head for her purse. The news didn't have any snide remarks about the assailant's weapon in this instance.

Point is: bad things can happen where you are- you don't have to travel to them. If more people on the good side carried, there might be more of these stories that end happily.



Just a quick reminder of basic gun handling safety rules:
1.All guns are always loaded.
2.Never let the muzzle cover anything you are not willing to destroy.
3.Keep your finger off the trigger until your sights are on the target.
4.Be sure of your target and what is beyond it.

/threadjack. (Sorry to ruin your thread Brian, I know this stuff has been posted millions of times before)

Thanks for your input sir.

[Brian in TN]

I feel completely competent racking the slide if the need should ever tragically arise, but I just don't feel 100% safe with a round in the chamber.

My thoughts exactly until pops and I had a lengthy discussion about it. Im still on the fence and was a bit nervous this morning but not nearly nervous as when I first started carrying. We shall see.

[Cactus]

It's conversations like this that give me back a little faith in this country.
An armed society is a polite society.
Carry on.

You misspelled 'paranoid'.

I see both sides of the coin on this one. The best defense is to make yourself seem like a terrible target. It's said that every bullet you fire comes with a lawyer attached. On the other hand, the Virginia-Tech shooting could have been prevented.

[C.R. Krieger]

You misspelled 'paranoid'.

C.R............Please.

Up until then, there were no comments on society. After that one, though, it becomes open season; so I respectfully suggest that you first reprimand ElGuappo (the guy you agree with) for starting it.

[LandCruzer94]

I carry a Sig 226 with a round in the chamber and decocked. I don't carry as often as I used to, but I still hope to God I'll never have to use it. It is some consolation that I'll know I'll have an edge in any situation, and it made me feel a lot safer on my trip across the US with one right by my leg (thanks to reciprocal states).

[LandCruzer94]

It's conversations like this that give me back a little faith in this country.
An armed society is a polite society.
Carry on.

You misspelled 'paranoid'.

It's said that every bullet you fire comes with a lawyer attached.

I was taught don't fire unless you're prepared to take a life, because dead people can't sue you. Chances are you'd be in a lot worse shape if you shot somebody and wounded them because then a lawyer would go after the type of ammunition you chose which was designed to cause undue harm.

Which brings me to another point, find out what ammunition your local law enforcement uses and go with that, so you can diffuse any of those arguments with the statement "I chose the ammunition because my local law enforcement uses it and I don't feel I should be any less protected than they are."

[Brian in TN]

You misspelled 'paranoid'.

C.R............Please.

Up until then, there were no comments on society. After that one, though, it becomes open season; so I respectfully suggest that you first reprimand ElGuappo (the guy you agree with) for starting it.

No C.R. He didnt side track the question, you tried to steer it toward the paraniod version of the non carriers and the ignorant of gun safety and ownership with a snide/lawyerish comment.

I like you C.R., but on this topic, as asked kindly in the intro...GTFO.

Regards.

[oldskool]

Hoplophobia here doesn't seem to be taking hold, thank God.
I will always scan a room for potted plants and small animals to swing and if none available, I'm a condition 2 type of dude. HTH.

[Cory]

I chronically suffer from hoplohoplophobia - the fear of hoplophobics.

[tsmall07]

It depends on the gun. I would say condition 1 or 3. I think it is faster to rack the slide than to try to cock the hammer with your thumb. Racking the slide in condition 2 would result in a wasted round. I'm thinking of getting a double action revolver for carry so this would be a non-issue.

http://www.sightm1911.com/Care/1911_conditions.htm

[Duke]

I'm thinking of getting a double action revolver for carry so this would be a non-issue.

Could be why COPs carried them for years. Have to practice with the first double action round though.

[Matt]

For those who carry, educate me. Why is it that you want to carry? I am not anti-gun at all. I am just more inclined to stay out of places where I would need a gun, thereby avoiding the problem. Unless those issues cannot be avoided? And Brian, on a lighter note, do those BMW parts customers get irritable enough that you feel a need to carry a sidearm?

I understand what you are saying. I do wonder if there are other rationales. My thinking is that unless I am regularly in dangerous places, the "never know" benefit associated with having the ability to defend yourself with a gun may likely be outweighed by the possibility of an accident with the gun, either while you are carrying or while the gun is at home, especially when you mix kids into the equation. I don't believe that this personal view, however, should impact your ability to carry a firearm, fwiw.

I definitely don't go places where I'd ever expect to feel unsafe.

For me, carrying a gun is a matter of principle. I'd be one of those annoying open carry commandos if it were allowed in my state

All decent people should carry guns all the time. That way, guns stop being associated with criminal douchebags.

The answer to "why would you carry a gun" is "why would you carry a cellphone" or "why would you carry a watch?". You have certain things you put on in the morning that are part of your life, your routine, and your day. These things give you capabilities that you don't always use, but which are nice to haves when you do use them.

As mentioned elsewhere, I mitigate the risk of an ND by being in a slightly lower state of readiness, both when carrying and when not carrying. There are other people with different priorities that have made different decisions.

[winfred]

i love mine, its a old one complete with presentation case and has the nicest blue on any pistol i own or have seen in a while

I'd only do that with a revolver.

On another note. I want a .44 Desert Eagle.

yea i only carry with factory ammo, i am a avid reloader but don't even want to think about getting into that can of worms

Which brings me to another point, find out what ammunition your local law enforcement uses and go with that, so you can diffuse any of those arguments with the statement "I chose the ammunition because my local law enforcement uses it and I don't feel I should be any less protected than they are."

and the 2nd, 3rd, 4th..........

Have to practice with the first double action round though.

[C.R. Krieger]

No, Brian; this is what you wrote:

If you dont condone the right to bear arms, PLEASE DO NOT RESPOND TO THIS THREAD.

It is not that I oppose the right to bear arms. I DO, however, oppose the idea of everyone carryng concealed under the impression that that makes us "polite". The fuck it does. This conclusion is based on the assumption that you, and others like you, FRIGHTEN others enough not to screw with you. That is, you depend on the paranoia of others OR you are paranoid yourself. There's no other reasonable explanation for this attitude. So I refuse to stop until you display the even-handedness this calls for. Jay started it. You know that. Don't blame me for finishing it just because you agree with him.

[Duke]

I have fired my 9mm once in a combat situation.

Was in Kosovo during the riots of 2004.

My personal ROE is that I NEVER fire a warning shot. This day, I did. Long story short...........AK-47 firing going off in the area and soldiers (French) were injured with hand grenades the day before. I was faced with a riot crowd of teen's to 20's year old men that were throwing BIG rocks at us. I fired a round above their heads while taking cover as I did not acquire a target with a weapon. The next round as I broke cover was to go into a body.

Fate had it that one of the guys in my group showed the crowd (pointing to the flag on our shoulder) we were American and all the hostilities stopped as they thought we were French.

Just goes to show how every situation is very dynamic and no set rule applies. If I had dropped a young Kosovo Albanian (pro American) that day, things would have gotten REALLY nasty for the US forces in Kosovo, as I was protecting the senior American military member, a one star general (that did get hit by a rock).

[Brian in TN]

CR. How do I frighten others if I carry concealed?

What do you mean people like me? WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU MEAN?!

You are coming off like a self righteous FUCK! As ususual.

I asked a simple question from the masses and you send my thread into a fucking spiral. Thanks.

C.R. Please do not hijack my thread.

PLEASE PLEASE STOP RESPONDING HERE.

WHAT MORE DO I NEED TO SAY OR ASK FOR YOU TO NOT BE AN ASSHOLE HERE?

Geezus!

[Jeremy]

Y'know, this sounded awfully familiar ... because it was. Almost a year to the day since the last time we waded through this.

http://www.mye28.com/viewtopic.php?p=885032#885032

Do you wear a seatbelt due to some crippling fear of being involved in an accident? I acknowledge that accidents happen and I wear a seatbelt to be better prepared to survive an accident should it occur, but that doesn't mean I'm in a perpetual state of fear when I'm in a car.

Bad people do bad things. People obtain a permit to carry to be better prepared should they face such a situation.

I'm not saying I agree with it entirely, but that's the logic in any case. Some may carry out of fear, but I would wager that it's not the motive for most. The people I know personally that carry are mostly ex-military, police, or a combination. They don't carry because of fear.

[Xenocide]

Some people are going to exercise their right (as is granted in this country) to carry a weapon. I would only hope that those people that so chose be knowledgeable and confident in their decisions as to how to safely carry a weapon. That's how I look at it anyway. I do not own any firearms (no real ones anyway), and I don't have any plans to. I am, however, very comfortable around guns, provided that the owners of said guns are acting responsibly and exercising caution and care in how they handle their guns. I'm not afraid of a guy that wears a pistol on his hip. I'm afraid of a guy that doesn't know how to safely handle the pistol he wears on his hip. I have to insist that even if you are completely opposed to owning or carrying weapons, everyone should know how to unload a gun and make it safe.

I think that to say an armed society is a polite society is absurd, but I would say that an armed society had damned well better be polite.

[ElGuappo]

wow way to take a semi tongue in cheek comment and blow it waaaayyyyy out of proportion.

That was kind of a reference to a Heinlein POV in one of his books.

I do not own and obviously do not carry a gun, but I wholeheartedly agree with and believe this is the RIGHT of every American citizen.
I agree with the above poster that I do not fear the man who openly carries a gun.

But the man who fears guns and would blow his own hand off as likely as unloading it does scare me.

Better?

[1st 5er]

I do own, but I don't carry, and the thought of who around me is carrying never crosses my mind.
After this discussion, maybe it will, but I doubt it.

[narth212]

bear arms...


arms....

[Rich Euro M5]

No, Brian; this is what you wrote:

If you dont condone the right to bear arms, PLEASE DO NOT RESPOND TO THIS THREAD.

It is not that I oppose the right to bear arms. I DO, however, oppose the idea of everyone carryng concealed under the impression that that makes us "polite". The fuck it does. This conclusion is based on the assumption that you, and others like you, FRIGHTEN others enough not to screw with you. That is, you depend on the paranoia of others OR you are paranoid yourself. There's no other reasonable explanation for this attitude. So I refuse to stop until you display the even-handedness this calls for. Jay started it. You know that. Don't blame me for finishing it just because you agree with him.

My decision to carry concealed has nothing to do with what you espouse. What in the word CONCEALED do you not understand. When I'm carrying my pistol, nobody knows, it's that well hidden. But if some idiot criminal decides he wants to try to rob, mug, or assault me, then that individual will be staring down the barrel of a .45 caliber pistol.

I also believe your biased against carry due to your environment, ie; where you choose to live. Last time I was near where you live, I recall the general populace as being rather homogeneous. That doesn't mean there aren't bad guys where you live, but I will say it's quite different than Milwaukee. BTW: I've spent a lot of time in / around Milwaukee and Waukasha, my employer at that time, GE, made certain of that.

[w0014170]

I first started to carry when I was 18. I was ready for anything, nobody knew I was carrying. As time went by and I mean 30, then 40 years, I was glad that the only thing I was ready for was the occasional can in the creek on a country road, the errant milk carton full of water and food color, the occasional snake in the stream or pathway.

I've carried legal & illegal, big & small, quite & loud and will tell you that carrying is a PIA overtime. Stay out of bad areas, have much situational awarness wherever you are so you can spot potential trouble and make the exit unnoticed with friends & family.

If and when you squeeze that trigger and that round vacates toward the target, if you kill or hurt that individual you can count on that $1.00 bullet increasing in cost to $20,000 and up. Shooting is not free even when justifiable.

I still carry at times, the pipe is always loaded the safety always on, the weapon is always within easy reach. I get tired of worrying about the damn gun as well, is it locked up, seperated from the ammo when my grandson is around, if I need it can I get to it in time, actually worrying about all this sucks, with age comes a certain amount of wisdom I suppose or revisions in view point.

Carry if you choose but do the rest of us a favor, this ain't the old west, you aint Wyatt or Doc and you need re-occuring education and practice with the damn thing for our safety as well as yours. Buy a QUALITY handgun and become an expert in all areas of the piece, train your mind that it is a LAST RESORT and lastly, keep it put away or it's not concealed.

[Chrishamman]

I lived on the west coast and was a bit miffed at the paranoia of the locals. I told a conservative businessman I worked for once upon a time I believed everyone should have a fully automatic parked in the corner of their bedroom, just like the swiss. He looked at me like I was nuts.

Moved to Arizona got my CC and carried for a while. Got a bit paranoid and stopped. Moved to Georgia and got my CC here but didnt carry. Found that in a car, I would avoid negative situations. Lived in Atlanta, a good part of town, but now in Gainesville.

As for my thoughts on CC. I prefer revolvers with an empty chamber if dropped. No safety to wonder if it is on or off, just point and shoot. That is why it took so long for police forces to adopt 9mm glocks.

I read recently that if you carry, you have a higher tendency to think all others are carrying also. What kind of world do you want to live in. I choose to live in a more peaceful one. But I keep a snubby 38 beside the bed.

[Shawn D.]

For C.R., particularly at 8:38-8:48: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGYf9AZl ... age#t=496s

[C.R. Krieger]

For C.R., particularly at 8:38-8:48: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGYf9AZl ... age#t=496s

I already told Brian I'd quit - so you can, too.

[Brad D.]

I see the usual suspects are here, even though I'm late to the party. I carry in condition one on a daily basis and have for well over two years. I have no issues with C1 carry in any modern firearm and wouldn't carry any other way. Obviously a 1911 (which is my usual carry) will be carried on safe, but I occasionally carry an M&P, or a J-frame, which, like a Glock have no thumb safeties. I feel no need to justify why I carry to anyone other than myself and my family.

[Mike W.]

If you dont condone the right to bear arms, PLEASE DO NOT RESPOND TO THIS THREAD.

While most regulars know or can guess my opinions on the subject, the part that bothers me is that in caps, essentially saying I'm posting this for discussion, but if you don't agree with me don't even bother responding. And even the first part is vague, but that's another discussion.