MicahO wrote:Hindsight being 20/20, I've got some questions about disclosure.
From your original for sale post in this thread:
craigrhyne wrote:Hey guys,
In the past several months I picked up an E60 M5 as a daily driver and an older SL600 as a project car. Consequently, my beloved E28 M5 hasn’t been getting any attention. As it sits, the car really isn’t a garage queen and was built to be driven. With this in mind, I’ve decided to let her go. My father purchased the car in the mid 90’s, and then sold it to me in 2009 (although we haven’t actually transferred the title yet so it’s still in his name). The car hasn’t been in any accidents and includes pretty extensive records both from me and from the previous owner who had the car maintained at Black Forrest Werkshop in Austin, Tx.
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Thanks,
Craig Rhyne
Craig - is the car that's for sale in this thread the same car that you refer to in all of your previous M5 build posts, like this (
http://www.mye28.com/viewtopic.php?p=50 ... ht=#508775 )
craigrhyne wrote:
Hey guys,
So I'm in the process of rebuilding a neglected E28 M5 into a weekend/track car and have a couple of questions regarding the braking and power steering systems:
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and this (
http://www.mye28.com/viewtopic.php?p=66 ... ht=#668558 )
craigrhyne wrote:Seems like the OP's question has been answered, so I thought I add my own question onto the end:
Any opinions on this cam?:
Thanks,
Craig Rhyne
craigrhyne wrote:Philo,
The car was purchased after having sat for @least 10 years. During this time, the pressure plate was severely damaged, and consequently the car was never started. After purchasing the car, I did a basic tune up, changed the oil, put a little marvel mystery oil in the cylinders, lubed the cams, and then attempted to start the car. After quite a bit more maintenance to the engine, she seems to be running well (New gas, all rubber hoses and fuel lines replaced, new timing components, valve adjustment, sea foam, valve adjustment, sea foam, valve adjustment, injectors cleaned and balanced, new pressure regulator, new fuel pumps, new gas tank, a new distributor cap and rotor, new plugs, new plug wires, etc.)
My point with the rambling info being, the car was revived from hibernation in the correct manner (to the best of my knowledge), and discoloration is likely from sitting with the oil unchanged for 10+ years.
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Thanks,
Craig Rhyne
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The parts lists associated with your build of this car certainly jive with the receipts that you sent out as associated with this car for sale. That would lead one to beleive that they are one in the same car. Yet your description of the car for sale (your father's car sold to you in 2009 with a well known service history) definitely does not match up with your earlier descriptions of the car you were working on (a car that sat for 10 years with a hole in a cam lobe).
Indeed, in this thread (
http://www.mye28.com/viewtopic.php?p=66 ... ht=#665180 ) you talk about the springs from Steve Haygood that are supposed to be on this car, and indeed there is a picture of this car that is for sale - look! There are the missing foglights! There are the almost worn-away pinstripes! There are the Dunlop Z1's in a better day!
If this actually is the car referred to in your previous threads, I'm wondering how it is that these descriptions are quite so different now that the car is for sale. There is no mention of the 10 years that your father let the car sit unused before you rejuvenated it. If it is indeed a different car, then I'm wondering how many cars you were building, and how many of the receipts that you show were for parts that went on this car, and how many were for parts that went on other cars.
Edit - It looks like it may have been in the family -
http://www.mye28.com/viewtopic.php?t=31836 - but that dead zone seems a big oversight at the moment. 10 years of sitting would certainly explain a lot of the bugaboos I saw.
At any rate, there is a lot of history that dhracer and I should have delved into before we made this trip. We got to San Antonio and found a car with big HVAC issues and bad cooling issues - items certainly not mentioned in this for sale post. Better due diligence should have been done on our end
before flying out.
MicahO,
I understand that you guys are unhappy with the way things worked out. It was an extremely frustrating experience for me as well. You seem to be implying that I was somehow dishonest in my description of the car, and to that I take some offense. Concerning you're above allegations, the car I've mentioned in my previous posts and the car I have now listed for sale are one in the same. I do not, however, understand how my previous posts and my for sale ad are not consistent with each other.
My father purchased the car in the mid nineties from a man in Austin, Texas. When the car was purchased, it was in excellent condition and came with extensive service records from Black Forest Werkshop in Austin, Tx where it had been maintained. It was one of many cars we owned at the time, including another E28 M5. My father drove the car on a semi regular basis (being one of several cars it basically became part of a weekly rotation). He continued to do so (all the while performing all necessary and preventative maintenance, and in doing so pumping a pretty significant amount of money into the car) until one day the pilot bearing fell apart at which point he parked it in our driveway and deemed the car a money pit. As I've described in my previous posts, there it sat for a very long time (~about ten years). When the car was parked, the paint was near perfect for a car of it's age, the dash was perfect, and the car was extremely sound from a mechanical standpoint with the exception of the failed pilot bearing.
My dad can be difficult about vehicles and, while he chose not to repair the failed pilot bearing, he wouldn't sell the car either. A couple of years ago I finally managed to pry the car from his grasp. At that point, all of the aforementioned labor (for which I provided receipts) was performed, and the car became my daily driver for about 15k miles. About six months ago I parked the car and began to drive other vehicles as my daily drivers (specifically a Toyota Sequoia and my Triumph Speed Triple). I also purchased an R129 SL600 as a project car. About 6 weeks ago, I purchased an E60 M5 that has now become my daily driver.
When I said that the car was “neglected” in some of my previous posts, I meant it literally. The car was neglected as it sat untouched in our driveway for the better part of ten years. By using the word “neglected” I never meant to imply that the car was abused, or used while not being maintained as you seem to have taken it. As I stated in my ad, the car comes with exceptional service records, even to the point of coming with all of the original Dinan E28 catalogs and receipts in their original Dinan envelope. There is also an original microphish service book for the E28 M5 that was ordered from BMW when the car was purchased new (this was found in the large file of service records). The massive overhaul of the car I’ve mentioned in the original for sale ad at the beginning of this thread was performed to transform the car from a vehicle that had been expertly maintained but sat for a number of years, to a car that, mechanically, is extremely sound and a great daily driver. From a mechanical standpoint, the car is in exceptional condition. From a cosmetic standpoint, the car could be improved upon. I mentioned in the ad that the car was not a garage queen, and in some of Peter and I’s email correspondence I went so far as to say that I would consider repainting the car (probably unnecessary, but for perfectionist, this would probably be the route to take). As a whole, the paint is by no means in terrible condition. In fact, when I took the car in to be inspected in preparation for your arrival, the guys working in the shop commented on how great the paint was for such an old car. There are the spots on the passenger’s side door that I both mentioned in the ad, posted pictures of, and then reiterated in our emails back and forth, and there are several rock chips on the hood (again I made every effort to make you aware of those).
Concerning the other issues you pointed out with the car, namely the cooling system issue, the rear passenger window, the heater blower motor, and the tires. I haven’t driven the car in quite some time and all of them, with the exception of the tires, were newly developed. You actually asked about the heater blower motor in preparation for your drive home before you made the trip down, and it was at that point that I discovered it was no longer functioning and was very honest and up front with you about it. You knew it was seized when you came to look at the car, and to date, it has been one of your biggest complaints. You went so far as to remove the heater blower motor from your personal vehicle with the intent of installing it in my car for the drive home. After arriving and discovering that my car had a fuel cooler that would make removing the heater blower more difficult, you became frustrated and have brought the issue up several times since in a manner that makes me feel as though your accusing me of misrepresenting the vehicle. The tires and the cooling system I feel pretty bad about. While the tires are not bald (they passed inspection with no issues the day before I brought the car to you guys) they are not in prime condition and should have been mentioned in the ad. I actually offered to knock $500 off our already negotiated price to make up for the poor condition of the tires while you were down here. I know they are not tire specific, but pictures of the tires' current condition can be seen in the pictures posted on page one of this thread. All pictures in this for sale thread (with the exception of those posted by MicahO) were taken only days prior to the ad being posted. NONE of them were old pictures or were meant to misrepresent the car in any way. The cooling system was a total fluke with exceptionally poor timing. As has already been discussed, a failed thermostat turned out to be the culprit, and will be replaced as soon as I receive the new part from Pelican Parts.
Again the whole experience was very frustrating from my perspective. I had absolutely no intention of misrepresenting the car and made every effort to be as helpful as possible as we went through the selling process. Considering that you’ve made no effort to directly discuss any of these issues with me, I feel that your public accusations here on the forum and blatant attempt to trash both me and the vehicle that I’m attempting to sell are completely uncalled for. I was also a bit frustrated when I logged into Paypal this afternoon to send back half of the discussed “non-refundable” $200 deposit you sent me to hold the car for you, only to find that you had filed a claim with Paypal for “goods not received”. I turned down several interested parties while holding the car for you, made an almost three hour trip to meet yall at the airport, and then after thinking the situation over, offered to return half of the $200 deposit.
Considering the car's service records and massive/costly list of recently performed maintenance, I feel that the car is a more than excellent deal relative to what I've seen on the market for a person that wants to purchase and drive an extremely mechanically sound E28 M5. It would probably cost at least three times my asking price to duplicate the vehicle. If you expected to show up and purchase a $25k garage queen for $8k, then as we've already determined, this isn't the car for you.
EDIT: In light of recent events, I would also like to point out that Peter (DSracer), the individual actually interested in purchasing the car, with whom I negotiated a price, and with whom I shared all of my correspondence prior to the meeting taking place, actually offered to purchase the car for $7500 after performing a very long and thorough inspection with his uncle (MicahO). During the inspection MicahO pulled Peter aside several times for private consultation, and it was after all of these consultations that Peter personally chose to ask if I would take $7300 + the $200 deposit for the vehicle. At this point, MicahO again pulled Peter aside and proceeded to have a very, very long discussion with him. After said discussion, Peter returned and said that he was no longer interested in purchasing the car. Peter brought MicahO along for the trip both to inspect the car and as a driving partner for the extremely long trip home. I have absolutely no problem with this as MicahO seemed to be very knowledgeable with respect to E28's, and was able to help Peter make an informed decision specific to his wants and desires concerning an E28 M5 purchase. I do, however, want to point out that Peter was interested in purchasing the car after inspecting it, and that Peter is not the individual making accusations or posting in this for sale thread.
Thanks,
Craig Rhyne
