E28 M5 FS Texas Car

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[craigrhyne]

As my previous post indicated, we too were a bit disappointed with the way things turned out.
To pacify the hurt, a couple of us went ahead and had dinner at Goode Company BBQ and then enjoyed a short semi-spirited drive.

Goode Company BBQ... It's been too long since I've enjoyed one of their brisket sandwiches and a slice of their pecan pie.

[1st 5er]

I must admit, I ate too much of the brisket, links, and ribs just before consuming that HUGE slice of pecan pie of which you speak. Yum yum!!!

[AT8M5]

^^^ Stop it, you're killing me!

OP, glad you were able to find the over heating problem, GLWS.

Karl

[MicahO]

Hindsight being 20/20, I've got some questions about disclosure.

From your original for sale post in this thread:

Hey guys,

In the past several months I picked up an E60 M5 as a daily driver and an older SL600 as a project car. Consequently, my beloved E28 M5 hasn’t been getting any attention. As it sits, the car really isn’t a garage queen and was built to be driven. With this in mind, I’ve decided to let her go. My father purchased the car in the mid 90’s, and then sold it to me in 2009 (although we haven’t actually transferred the title yet so it’s still in his name). The car hasn’t been in any accidents and includes pretty extensive records both from me and from the previous owner who had the car maintained at Black Forrest Werkshop in Austin, Tx.

.......


Thanks,
Craig Rhyne

Craig - is the car that's for sale in this thread the same car that you refer to in all of your previous M5 build posts, like this ( http://www.mye28.com/viewtopic.php?p=50 ... ht=#508775 )

Hey guys,
So I'm in the process of rebuilding a neglected E28 M5 into a weekend/track car and have a couple of questions regarding the braking and power steering systems:
.....

and this ( http://www.mye28.com/viewtopic.php?p=66 ... ht=#668558 )

Seems like the OP's question has been answered, so I thought I add my own question onto the end:

Any opinions on this cam?:



Thanks,
Craig Rhyne

Philo,
The car was purchased after having sat for @least 10 years. During this time, the pressure plate was severely damaged, and consequently the car was never started. After purchasing the car, I did a basic tune up, changed the oil, put a little marvel mystery oil in the cylinders, lubed the cams, and then attempted to start the car. After quite a bit more maintenance to the engine, she seems to be running well (New gas, all rubber hoses and fuel lines replaced, new timing components, valve adjustment, sea foam, valve adjustment, sea foam, valve adjustment, injectors cleaned and balanced, new pressure regulator, new fuel pumps, new gas tank, a new distributor cap and rotor, new plugs, new plug wires, etc.)

My point with the rambling info being, the car was revived from hibernation in the correct manner (to the best of my knowledge), and discoloration is likely from sitting with the oil unchanged for 10+ years.
........
Thanks,
Craig Rhyne

?

The parts lists associated with your build of this car certainly jive with the receipts that you sent out as associated with this car for sale. That would lead one to beleive that they are one in the same car. Yet your description of the car for sale (your father's car sold to you in 2009 with a well known service history) definitely does not match up with your earlier descriptions of the car you were working on (a car that sat for 10 years with a hole in a cam lobe).

Indeed, in this thread ( http://www.mye28.com/viewtopic.php?p=66 ... ht=#665180 ) you talk about the springs from Steve Haygood that are supposed to be on this car, and indeed there is a picture of this car that is for sale - look! There are the missing foglights! There are the almost worn-away pinstripes! There are the Dunlop Z1's in a better day!



If this actually is the car referred to in your previous threads, I'm wondering how it is that these descriptions are quite so different now that the car is for sale. There is no mention of the 10 years that your father let the car sit unused before you rejuvenated it. If it is indeed a different car, then I'm wondering how many cars you were building, and how many of the receipts that you show were for parts that went on this car, and how many were for parts that went on other cars.

Edit - It looks like it may have been in the family - http://www.mye28.com/viewtopic.php?t=31836 - but that dead zone seems a big oversight at the moment. 10 years of sitting would certainly explain a lot of the bugaboos I saw.

At any rate, there is a lot of history that dhracer and I should have delved into before we made this trip. We got to San Antonio and found a car with big HVAC issues and bad cooling issues - items certainly not mentioned in this for sale post. Better due diligence should have been done on our end before flying out.

[1st 5er]

Based on that prior post, thought this might be a good idea.
Maybe not...

Hey guys,

In the past several months I picked up an E60 M5 as a daily driver and an older SL600 as a project car. Consequently, my beloved E28 M5 hasn’t been getting any attention. As it sits, the car really isn’t a garage queen and was built to be driven. With this in mind, I’ve decided to let her go. My father purchased the car in the mid 90’s, and then sold it to me in 2009 (although we haven’t actually transferred the title yet so it’s still in his name). The car hasn’t been in any accidents and includes pretty extensive records both from me and from the previous owner who had the car maintained at Black Forrest Werkshop in Austin, Tx. Being a Tx car, there is absolutely no structural rust on the car or in the body panels. There is, however, a small bubble under the paint on the sunroof. At 180,XXX miles the car underwent an extensive rebuild during which almost every mechanical part prone to wear or failure was replaced. The result was an extremely mechanically sound, tight and fun to drive daily driver. I had intended to keep this car forever (hence the in depth rebuild), but at the moment both my garage and driveway are completely full and it just seems unfair to leave a car like this sitting out in the elements. The car has had regular oil changes with Valvoline VR1 20W-50 racing oil and valve adjustments performed @roughly 15k mile intervals. A full set of valve shims will be included in the sale of the car. Currently, the car has 193,XXX miles on it. A couple major points of the rebuild:

-Timing chain and all related components were replaced (including an Evo Cam Gear)
-S54 Tensioner installed to prevent future timing chain issues
-All suspension components replaced (bushings, mounts, arms, Bilsteins, Euro springs, etc)
-Entire brake system replaced (E34 M5 calipers, Brembo slotted rotors, UUC SS lines, Mstr Cyl, Brake Bomb, etc)
-All ignition components replaced (plugs, coil, wires, dist cap and rotor)
-Rear Sub frame and Front & Rear swaybar bushings replaced with Powerflex units
-SI board replaced with updated unit
-All engine hoses, bushings, rubber, accessible gaskets, engine mounts, etc. were replaced
-JB racing LW aluminum flywheel, new clutch and all associated components replaced
-New clutch slave cyl and ss line
-All shift linkage replaced
-Dinan chip installed (There is an EAT chip listed in the invoice from Steve Haygood, but I never received the part and installed the Dinan unit instead)
-New Oil pump and all related components installed
-All steering linkage has been replaced
-Frank Fey track pipe
-Fuel system completely refurbished (injectors cleaned and flow balanced, new fpr, new fuel pumps, new high pressure fuel lines, gas tanked completely cleaned, etc.)
I have receipts for all of the parts and I’ve included a pretty extensive list of parts and costs below. I just threw this list together in Excel, so a few items might be missing. For a serious potential buyer, I can provide actual receipts (most of which include part numbers and quantities) for just about anything that has been installed in the car.

UUC
SS Coated Brake Lines $119.00
SS Coated Clutch Line $29.00
Magnetic Drain Plug $10.00
Delrin Carrier Bushings $25.00
"Big Boy" Clutch Stop $20.00
RK5 Shift Knob $139.00

Turner Motorsports
JB Racing Light Weight Flywheel $539.00
Plug Wires

Tire Rack
Brembo Slotted Rotors (Fr) $255.00
Brembo Slotted Rotors (Rear) $141.00
4 255/50R-16 Dunlop Direzza Sport Z1 Star Spec Tires $559.00

Steve Haygood
Crankshaft Seal Most BMW M30
Gasket Timing Cover S38 M5,M6,M30
Oil Pan Gasket m30
Motor Mt
Motor Mt M5.M6
S38 Valve Cover Gasket
SparkPlug Cover Gasket e24,e28
Cam Seal
Camshaft Oring M3.M5,M6
S38 Needle Bearing e24,e28
Idler Shaft Oring
S38 Guide Rail e24,e28
S38 Compression Spring
Rubber Bushing
Oring
S38 Timing Chain
Deflection Wheel S38 E24,E28
Tensioner Rail S38 e24,e28
Tensioner Rail S38
S38 Intake Cam Gear e24,e28
Cam Gear Evo SportM3/5/6
Lock Plate
Crank Gear m30, >81,M5,M6
4140 Crank Hub Heat Treated 58-60
left lower control arm Meyle
Rt lower control arm Meyle,
Thrust Arm W/750 Bushing
Thrust Arm W/750 Bushing
Center Link e24 e28 83>
Tie Rod Assem Lemforder
Idler Arm Meyle Brand Retail 75
Frt Sway Bar Link Lem e24,e28
Front Sway Bushing e24 87M6 21MM
E28 M5 Rear Sway Bar Bushing
rear sway bar link
Diff mount
HD Rear Axle Carrier Bushing e24,e28
Rear Pittman Arm
M Technic e24/e28 Frt Spring
M technic Rear Springs
Eat Chip
Trans Mount E28M5 E24 M6
S52 Tensioner
Seal
Radiator Mount
Radiator Mount
Bypass Hose M5
Thermostat Hsgn Hose M5,M6
Thermostat Cover HoseM5,M6 List
Coolant T
HoseM5,M6;
Distribution Piece
Exp Tank Hose
Bypass hose M5,M6
Upper Radiator Hose e28 M5,M6
Heater Hose
Heater Hose
Heater Hose
Rear Shock Mount e28/e24
e28/24 rear mount gasket
strut mount e24/28/30
Crank Nut M30 BMW
oil pump
Power Steering Filter
Injector Seal
Oil Pump Sprocket
Oil Pump Chain
Bilstein HD Frt Insert E28/24
E24/28 Rear HD Bilstein
In Tank Prepump e24,e28
Total $4,336.54

Pelican Parts
Hex Bolt $2.50
Adjuster Bar for Power Steering Belt $9.75
Steering Shaft Flexible Joint $18.25
Wave Washer B6 $6.00
Hex Bolt $4.00
Head Screw $4.00
Flywheel Seal $24.75
Pilot Bearing Felt Ring $1.50
Pilot Bearing Plate $2.00
Gasket Rear Crankshaft $0.75
Throttle Cable Plastic Clips $2.00
Inntake Manifold Gaskets $10.50
Fuel Hose Clamps $10.00
Fuel Hose 8mm Elbow $4.00
Muffler Hanger Ring $5.75
Oil Filter Kit (2) $11.50
Selector Rod Seal $3.75
Output Shaft Seal $3.75
Input Shaft Seal $5.25
Tail Light Bulb $4.50
Wheel Cap Emblems $30.00
Mirror Grommet $5.00
Seal RU=42BER $5.75
Clip $4.00
51-91-0-427-859-BOE $30.00
Accel Cable $30.00
17-11-2-225-132-BOE $2.25
Hood Release Lever Mech $30.75
Hex Bolt $1.50
Adjusting Nut for Alternator $5.50
Swivel Joint $41.50
Fan Clutch $80.75
Engine Fan $18.00
Lamp Socket $13.00
Hood/Trnk Emblem Grommet $2.00
86mm Roundel Trunk $16.50
82.5mm Roundel Hood $16.00
Master Cyl to Res Grommet $3.50
Brake Master Cyl $183.25
Shift Rod Shim $1.00
Front Caliper Retaining Clip $23.00
Strut Tower Bushing $5.00
Oring For Swivel Rod Joint $0.50
Rubber Buffer Sponge Shift Rod $1.50
Shift Rod Dowel Pin $0.75
Shift Rod Spacer $1.50
Selector Circle Clip $1.50
Selector Rod Joint $15.50
Shift Lever Boot $15.75
Rear Shift Arm Bushing $29.25
Oil Filter Kit $5.75
Lower Rear Spring Pad $14.00
Upper Rear Spring Pad $7.00
Lower Front Spring Pad $5.50
Upper Front Spring Pad $6.50
Tie Rod Outer $41.25
Mufler Hangar $5.50
Water Hose $4.25
Breather Hose $25.25
Brake Fluid Res Cap/Float $24.50
Expansion Tank $77.50
Washer $1.00
Oring $1.00
Guide Pin $26.00
Rubber Boot $85.50
Fuel Pump $223.25
Fuel Filter $10.00
Flywheel Bolt $22.00
Clutch Release Fork Spring $2.25
Bosch Spark Plug Super $30.00
Ignition Rotor $15.75
Distributor Cap $40.75
Oil Filter Kit $5.75
Pwr Steering Belt $5.75
A/C Belt $8.25
Alt. Belt $7.25
Air Filter $61.25

Various Sources
Odometer Gears $25.00
Cruzin Performance Injector Refurb $106.50
Frank Fey Track Pipe $350.00
E34 M5 Brake Calipers $400.00
Alpine CDA-9887 $229.00


Bimmer World
Power Flex Subframe Bushings $110.91

Beast Power
StopTech Brake Pads Set $149.00
F&R Power Flex Swaybar Bushings $103.98

Bav Auto
Embroidered Ultimate M5 Mats $164.95

Autohauzaz
Crankshaft Pos Sensors $159.18
Fuel Pres Reg $76.98
Brake Accumulator $93.71

Total $9,653.50


Unfinished items & flaws of note:
-The dashboard needs to be replaced. It currently has several large cracks in it.
-The fuel door needs to be replaced as it has a very noticeable bend in it
-The trunk seal needs to be replaced (small leak)
-The plastic cover above the rear bumper is wavy
-The car needs new exhaust tips
-The fog lights are missing
-There was some paint damage on the driver’s side door due to what appears to have been something corrosive dripping on the car at some point. I put a little BMW touch up paint on the spots, sanded them down, and then buffed them back out, but the original marks are still noticeable when looking at a reflection.

-The A/C blows cool but not cold in three digit Texas heat. Not really sure what the problem is there.. maybe just needs a system refresh?


I would like to get $8500 obo for the car which I feel is quite fair as it’s a bit less than I’ve put into just parts in the last 15k miles. To build an E28 M5 in similar mechanical condition it would easily cost three times my asking price. For more information please give me a call @830 370 8509. I generally stay pretty busy during the week, so please use the phone number for a quick response.

Thanks,
Craig Rhyne

[TurboChris]

[AT8M5]

Indeed!!!

Karl

[grahamular]

Yet your description of the car for sale (your father's car sold to you in 2009 with a well known service history) definitely does not match up with your earlier descriptions of the car you were working on (a car that sat for 10 years with a hole in a cam lobe).

Not trying to rub salt in the wounds as I know buying (or selling) a car at a distance can be complicated, but were you able to review the service history before committing to buy the car? If so, a 10-yr gap in maintenance records would certainly be apparent.

From the perspective of a potential buyer, I don't see anything in the seller's original post that is intentionally misleading. Failure to mention that the extensive mechanical reconditioning was the result of sitting for 10 years is certainly unusual but could just as easily be considered a positive by some potential buyers instead of a negative. Now if you're saying that those parts aren't actually on that car...that's another story!

Graham

[Duke]

[rcbmw]

...there are a couple of lines coming off the high side of the AC system and feeding through the firewall panel.

As MicahO stated, this M5 did come from the factory with a fuel cooler. To be honest, until MicahO pointed it out, I had no idea this wasn't standard on all E28 M5's.

Incorrect. All North American and Japanese spec E28 M5 examples with the catalyst equipped S38-B35 were originally built this way. This car has not beed updated to R134a and still retains the original parts.

Best,
RCBMW

[craigrhyne]

Hindsight being 20/20, I've got some questions about disclosure.

From your original for sale post in this thread:

Hey guys,

In the past several months I picked up an E60 M5 as a daily driver and an older SL600 as a project car. Consequently, my beloved E28 M5 hasn’t been getting any attention. As it sits, the car really isn’t a garage queen and was built to be driven. With this in mind, I’ve decided to let her go. My father purchased the car in the mid 90’s, and then sold it to me in 2009 (although we haven’t actually transferred the title yet so it’s still in his name). The car hasn’t been in any accidents and includes pretty extensive records both from me and from the previous owner who had the car maintained at Black Forrest Werkshop in Austin, Tx.

.......


Thanks,
Craig Rhyne

Craig - is the car that's for sale in this thread the same car that you refer to in all of your previous M5 build posts, like this ( http://www.mye28.com/viewtopic.php?p=50 ... ht=#508775 )

Hey guys,
So I'm in the process of rebuilding a neglected E28 M5 into a weekend/track car and have a couple of questions regarding the braking and power steering systems:
.....

and this ( http://www.mye28.com/viewtopic.php?p=66 ... ht=#668558 )

Seems like the OP's question has been answered, so I thought I add my own question onto the end:

Any opinions on this cam?:



Thanks,
Craig Rhyne

Philo,
The car was purchased after having sat for @least 10 years. During this time, the pressure plate was severely damaged, and consequently the car was never started. After purchasing the car, I did a basic tune up, changed the oil, put a little marvel mystery oil in the cylinders, lubed the cams, and then attempted to start the car. After quite a bit more maintenance to the engine, she seems to be running well (New gas, all rubber hoses and fuel lines replaced, new timing components, valve adjustment, sea foam, valve adjustment, sea foam, valve adjustment, injectors cleaned and balanced, new pressure regulator, new fuel pumps, new gas tank, a new distributor cap and rotor, new plugs, new plug wires, etc.)

My point with the rambling info being, the car was revived from hibernation in the correct manner (to the best of my knowledge), and discoloration is likely from sitting with the oil unchanged for 10+ years.
........
Thanks,
Craig Rhyne

?

The parts lists associated with your build of this car certainly jive with the receipts that you sent out as associated with this car for sale. That would lead one to beleive that they are one in the same car. Yet your description of the car for sale (your father's car sold to you in 2009 with a well known service history) definitely does not match up with your earlier descriptions of the car you were working on (a car that sat for 10 years with a hole in a cam lobe).

Indeed, in this thread ( http://www.mye28.com/viewtopic.php?p=66 ... ht=#665180 ) you talk about the springs from Steve Haygood that are supposed to be on this car, and indeed there is a picture of this car that is for sale - look! There are the missing foglights! There are the almost worn-away pinstripes! There are the Dunlop Z1's in a better day!



If this actually is the car referred to in your previous threads, I'm wondering how it is that these descriptions are quite so different now that the car is for sale. There is no mention of the 10 years that your father let the car sit unused before you rejuvenated it. If it is indeed a different car, then I'm wondering how many cars you were building, and how many of the receipts that you show were for parts that went on this car, and how many were for parts that went on other cars.

Edit - It looks like it may have been in the family - http://www.mye28.com/viewtopic.php?t=31836 - but that dead zone seems a big oversight at the moment. 10 years of sitting would certainly explain a lot of the bugaboos I saw.

At any rate, there is a lot of history that dhracer and I should have delved into before we made this trip. We got to San Antonio and found a car with big HVAC issues and bad cooling issues - items certainly not mentioned in this for sale post. Better due diligence should have been done on our end before flying out.

MicahO,

I understand that you guys are unhappy with the way things worked out. It was an extremely frustrating experience for me as well. You seem to be implying that I was somehow dishonest in my description of the car, and to that I take some offense. Concerning you're above allegations, the car I've mentioned in my previous posts and the car I have now listed for sale are one in the same. I do not, however, understand how my previous posts and my for sale ad are not consistent with each other.

My father purchased the car in the mid nineties from a man in Austin, Texas. When the car was purchased, it was in excellent condition and came with extensive service records from Black Forest Werkshop in Austin, Tx where it had been maintained. It was one of many cars we owned at the time, including another E28 M5. My father drove the car on a semi regular basis (being one of several cars it basically became part of a weekly rotation). He continued to do so (all the while performing all necessary and preventative maintenance, and in doing so pumping a pretty significant amount of money into the car) until one day the pilot bearing fell apart at which point he parked it in our driveway and deemed the car a money pit. As I've described in my previous posts, there it sat for a very long time (~about ten years). When the car was parked, the paint was near perfect for a car of it's age, the dash was perfect, and the car was extremely sound from a mechanical standpoint with the exception of the failed pilot bearing.

My dad can be difficult about vehicles and, while he chose not to repair the failed pilot bearing, he wouldn't sell the car either. A couple of years ago I finally managed to pry the car from his grasp. At that point, all of the aforementioned labor (for which I provided receipts) was performed, and the car became my daily driver for about 15k miles. About six months ago I parked the car and began to drive other vehicles as my daily drivers (specifically a Toyota Sequoia and my Triumph Speed Triple). I also purchased an R129 SL600 as a project car. About 6 weeks ago, I purchased an E60 M5 that has now become my daily driver.

When I said that the car was “neglected” in some of my previous posts, I meant it literally. The car was neglected as it sat untouched in our driveway for the better part of ten years. By using the word “neglected” I never meant to imply that the car was abused, or used while not being maintained as you seem to have taken it. As I stated in my ad, the car comes with exceptional service records, even to the point of coming with all of the original Dinan E28 catalogs and receipts in their original Dinan envelope. There is also an original microphish service book for the E28 M5 that was ordered from BMW when the car was purchased new (this was found in the large file of service records). The massive overhaul of the car I’ve mentioned in the original for sale ad at the beginning of this thread was performed to transform the car from a vehicle that had been expertly maintained but sat for a number of years, to a car that, mechanically, is extremely sound and a great daily driver. From a mechanical standpoint, the car is in exceptional condition. From a cosmetic standpoint, the car could be improved upon. I mentioned in the ad that the car was not a garage queen, and in some of Peter and I’s email correspondence I went so far as to say that I would consider repainting the car (probably unnecessary, but for perfectionist, this would probably be the route to take). As a whole, the paint is by no means in terrible condition. In fact, when I took the car in to be inspected in preparation for your arrival, the guys working in the shop commented on how great the paint was for such an old car. There are the spots on the passenger’s side door that I both mentioned in the ad, posted pictures of, and then reiterated in our emails back and forth, and there are several rock chips on the hood (again I made every effort to make you aware of those).

Concerning the other issues you pointed out with the car, namely the cooling system issue, the rear passenger window, the heater blower motor, and the tires. I haven’t driven the car in quite some time and all of them, with the exception of the tires, were newly developed. You actually asked about the heater blower motor in preparation for your drive home before you made the trip down, and it was at that point that I discovered it was no longer functioning and was very honest and up front with you about it. You knew it was seized when you came to look at the car, and to date, it has been one of your biggest complaints. You went so far as to remove the heater blower motor from your personal vehicle with the intent of installing it in my car for the drive home. After arriving and discovering that my car had a fuel cooler that would make removing the heater blower more difficult, you became frustrated and have brought the issue up several times since in a manner that makes me feel as though your accusing me of misrepresenting the vehicle. The tires and the cooling system I feel pretty bad about. While the tires are not bald (they passed inspection with no issues the day before I brought the car to you guys) they are not in prime condition and should have been mentioned in the ad. I actually offered to knock $500 off our already negotiated price to make up for the poor condition of the tires while you were down here. I know they are not tire specific, but pictures of the tires' current condition can be seen in the pictures posted on page one of this thread. All pictures in this for sale thread (with the exception of those posted by MicahO) were taken only days prior to the ad being posted. NONE of them were old pictures or were meant to misrepresent the car in any way. The cooling system was a total fluke with exceptionally poor timing. As has already been discussed, a failed thermostat turned out to be the culprit, and will be replaced as soon as I receive the new part from Pelican Parts.

Again the whole experience was very frustrating from my perspective. I had absolutely no intention of misrepresenting the car and made every effort to be as helpful as possible as we went through the selling process. Considering that you’ve made no effort to directly discuss any of these issues with me, I feel that your public accusations here on the forum and blatant attempt to trash both me and the vehicle that I’m attempting to sell are completely uncalled for. I was also a bit frustrated when I logged into Paypal this afternoon to send back half of the discussed “non-refundable” $200 deposit you sent me to hold the car for you, only to find that you had filed a claim with Paypal for “goods not received”. I turned down several interested parties while holding the car for you, made an almost three hour trip to meet yall at the airport, and then after thinking the situation over, offered to return half of the $200 deposit.

Considering the car's service records and massive/costly list of recently performed maintenance, I feel that the car is a more than excellent deal relative to what I've seen on the market for a person that wants to purchase and drive an extremely mechanically sound E28 M5. It would probably cost at least three times my asking price to duplicate the vehicle. If you expected to show up and purchase a $25k garage queen for $8k, then as we've already determined, this isn't the car for you.

EDIT: In light of recent events, I would also like to point out that Peter (DSracer), the individual actually interested in purchasing the car, with whom I negotiated a price, and with whom I shared all of my correspondence prior to the meeting taking place, actually offered to purchase the car for $7500 after performing a very long and thorough inspection with his uncle (MicahO). During the inspection MicahO pulled Peter aside several times for private consultation, and it was after all of these consultations that Peter personally chose to ask if I would take $7300 + the $200 deposit for the vehicle. At this point, MicahO again pulled Peter aside and proceeded to have a very, very long discussion with him. After said discussion, Peter returned and said that he was no longer interested in purchasing the car. Peter brought MicahO along for the trip both to inspect the car and as a driving partner for the extremely long trip home. I have absolutely no problem with this as MicahO seemed to be very knowledgeable with respect to E28's, and was able to help Peter make an informed decision specific to his wants and desires concerning an E28 M5 purchase. I do, however, want to point out that Peter was interested in purchasing the car after inspecting it, and that Peter is not the individual making accusations or posting in this for sale thread.


Thanks,
Craig Rhyne

[craigrhyne]

...there are a couple of lines coming off the high side of the AC system and feeding through the firewall panel.

As MicahO stated, this M5 did come from the factory with a fuel cooler. To be honest, until MicahO pointed it out, I had no idea this wasn't standard on all E28 M5's.

Incorrect. All North American and Japanese spec E28 M5 examples with the catalyst equipped S38-B35 were originally built this way. This car has not beed updated to R134a and still retains the original parts.

Best,
RCBMW

I appreciate the information RCBMW. I felt bad about not informing Peter and MicahO about the fuel cooler when they were discussing the heater blower replacement prior to coming down. It's somewhat satisfying to know that this was not an issue that is specific to my car.

Thanks,
Craig Rhyne

[craigrhyne]

Yet your description of the car for sale (your father's car sold to you in 2009 with a well known service history) definitely does not match up with your earlier descriptions of the car you were working on (a car that sat for 10 years with a hole in a cam lobe).

Not trying to rub salt in the wounds as I know buying (or selling) a car at a distance can be complicated, but were you able to review the service history before committing to buy the car? If so, a 10-yr gap in maintenance records would certainly be apparent.

From the perspective of a potential buyer, I don't see anything in the seller's original post that is intentionally misleading. Failure to mention that the extensive mechanical reconditioning was the result of sitting for 10 years is certainly unusual but could just as easily be considered a positive by some potential buyers instead of a negative. Now if you're saying that those parts aren't actually on that car...that's another story!

Graham

I appreciate the kind words. I can assure you that every single part listed has been installed on the car.

Thanks,
Craig Rhyne

[Rich Euro M5]

-the tires have about 15k miles on them and are pretty worn. Not pointIng this out in the for sale ad was a serious oversight on my part, and for that I apologize.

When I look at a potential auto purchase, IMO having tires with some mileage on them is a positive thing. Wear patterns on tires allow you to see if there are suspension or alignment problems, signs of possible crash damage in the past, etc. When I see brand new tires on an E28 I become wary, particularly if the seller cannot show me documentation proving when the suspension was serviced. It's been my experience having owned E28s since 1994, new tires can cover up worn suspension issues on the E28 chassis. The dreaded 55 mph wobble can be cured in some cases by simply installing new tires, but in a few thousand miles, the wobbles will return.

[MicahO]

Yeah - fuckitall. Having written and posted my entire PPI, performed for a family member and at their expense, I am deleting it. Poof. I hope that anyone who had the chance to read it enjoyed. There were both positive and negative things seen with the car. Anyone looking at the car should do their own deep research. The correct decision was made.

Good luck with the sale.

[rlomba8204]

Guys, these are now basically 25 year old cars. Anyone with any common sense -- and I mean this with all respect -- who wants to buy a 25 year old car sight unseen and doesn't spend the money having a disinterested shop do a PPI prior to flying in is asking for trouble. I lost Rusty's 535i because I am always unwilling to buy a car without an inspection, unless I already know the seller. And if I am selling a car to someone who doesn't want to have a PPI, I'll have my shop "swoop" it at my expense to avoid any aggravation later. It's just the nature of these things that old cars are not perfect unless they have been completely restored, and if you want a perfect car that hasn't been restored, you need to buy a new or nearly new one. It's that simple.

Again, I mean no disrespect to the parties involved, but as soon as this car was posted I said to myself that it would be an interesting sale process. The seller was basically selling a car he had driven seldom enough to not really know anymore, and that's the issue here as far as I can see.

[1st 5er]

Not being involved in the process other than as previously posted
I really don't have any thing to go by other than what was posted in the original description and subsequent posts.

I'll offer just a few thoughts in passing having purchased a few cars from out of state buyers.

In every instance I feel I got a full disclosure about the cars current condition and history,
as known by the then current owner, and have yet to be disappointed to the point of walking away from the sale.
The most recent being the E34 ///M5 from Steve in Detroit, solely based on his ad description and very little phone time
I flew in, loaded the spare parts he offered and drove it back to Texas without incident.
The one question I always ask, if I plan to drive the car home, is, "Would you get into this car, or put your wife in it to make a cross country drive?".
I know people have different risk tolerances in this area and me being on the high side
feel if the seller is being honest and answers in the affirmative then I should be good to go.

The original ad posted by Craig appears to me that one could have done the same with this car.

Maybe I was lucky, maybe not.

I feel bad for Paul and Micah in their finding the complete history after the fact.
My thought is that Craig should have mentioned the 10 year down time,
including the previous threads relating to the car in his ad,
thus giving Paul and Micah reason to do a bit more research.

I'm not excusing the lack of research, because at near the top of the value chart, which this car is priced as in it's current condition,
I think I might have been moved to have a PPI done prior to making the trip from that distance.

Now that the info is out there, the next prospective buyer will have a better foundation on which to make a wise decision.
And once the current issues are sorted properly I'm of the opinion that this will be a good car to own at its asking price.

My $0.02.
Carry on.

[rlomba8204]

Not being involved in the process other than as previously posted
I really don't have any thing to go by other than what was posted in the original description and subsequent posts.

I'll offer just a few thoughts in passing having purchased a few cars from out of state buyers.

In every instance I feel I got a full disclosure about the cars current condition and history,
as known by the then current owner, and have yet to be disappointed to the point of walking away from the sale.
The most recent being the E34 ///M5 from Steve in Detroit, solely based on his ad description and very little phone time
I flew in, loaded the spare parts he offered and drove it back to Texas without incident.
The one question I always ask, if I plan to drive the car home, is, "Would you get into this car, or put your wife in it to make a cross country drive?".
I know people have different risk tolerances in this area and me being on the high side
feel if the seller is being honest and answers in the affirmative then I should be good to go.

The original ad posted by Craig appears to me that one could have done the same with this car.

Maybe I was lucky, maybe not.

I feel bad for Paul and Micah in their finding the complete history after the fact.
My thought is that Craig should have mentioned the 10 year down time,
including the previous threads relating to the car in his ad,
thus giving Paul and Micah reason to do a bit more research.

I'm not excusing the lack of research, because at near the top of the value chart, which this car is priced as in it's current condition,
I think I might have been moved to have a PPI done prior to making the trip from that distance.

Now that the info is out there, the next prospective buyer will have a better foundation on which to make a wise decision.
And once the current issues are sorted properly I'm of the opinion that this will be a good car to own at its asking price.

My $0.02.
Carry on.

Well said Sherman. I missed this earlier. I just hate to see the misunderstandings as well because people are inconvenienced and it leaves bad feelings.

[craigrhyne]

The debacle outlined in the thread above seems to have scared away an and all interested parties. At this point, I would like to see the car gone. The car is as described above. A new thermostat has been installed and the car is ready to be driven anywhere in the US. Price is now $6.5k or best offer.

Thanks,
Craig Rhyne

[1st 5er]

GLWS...

[craigrhyne]

GLWS...

Thank you

-Craig Rhyne

[Durden]

I was a few hours away from reaching out regarding this car before it was marked as tentatively sold during the pre-drama days. I finally found the right e28 locally and am no longer in the market.

Looks like a good deal on a unique car. Good luck.

[riverrat]

After comunicating with Craig in great detail, my friend and I drove to Austin to have a serious look at this car. I am happy to say that I am now the proud owner of this M5. Craig did a great job bringing this car back to what is now a very solid machine! He also made the buying experiance very easy on me and my schedule. I'll be posting the planned improvements and modifications in the near future. Thanks Criag, I'll be watching your other projects with interest.

[1st 5er]

After comunicating with Craig in great detail, my friend and I drove to Austin to have a serious look at this car. I am happy to say that I am now the proud owner of this M5. Craig did a great job brinking this car back to what is now a very solid machine! He also made the buying experiance very easy on me and my schedule. I'll be posting the planned improvements and modifications in the near future. Thanks Criag, I'll be watching your other projects with interest.

Gotta hook up so we can share in the excitement.

[riverrat]

Sounds good. I work at hooks airport in Spring. PM a contact #.

[jamesohoh7]

Congrats!

I had been talking to a buddy (out of state) about him buying that car... too late it seems!


One of these days, I'll have to drag out my beater to one of your high-fallutin' M5 meet-ups, Sherman... if y'all can stomach a car with primer, rust, dents and scratches all over it.. seconds from fiery disaster at all times!

[riverrat]

Lol. Bring it on. All are welcome.

[Rich Euro M5]

Sounds good. I work at hooks airport in Spring. PM a contact #.

Where do you work at Hooks? I rent (only the good stuff) from one of the FBOs, United Flight Systems on occassion. The bulk of my flying is out of West Houston.

[Nicke28]

Cool another Houston M5!