Operation Hartge "2"

bunty · Post by **bunty** » Jul 10, 2009 6:50 PM

looks terrific

metallic brown + hartge strips
and those sexy hartge wheels.

wkohler · Post by **wkohler** » Jul 10, 2009 6:52 PM

Ron - looks good, but that wheel goes on the other side of the car.

9.5" rear wheels. Damn.

RonP · Post by **RonP** » Jul 10, 2009 7:13 PM

Ron - looks good, but that wheel goes on the other side of the car.

Now you tell me!

Purely for fitment purposes, but I did know already that you would bust my balls over it! As I was putting in the last bolt, I was thinking "some wiseguy will be giving me crap about the wheel being on the wrong side" ....probably Kohler!

The Hartge stripes came in either silver or anthricite. The car came with a sliver stripe, but I opted for the anthricite. I like the look.

mogie · Post by **mogie** » Jul 10, 2009 8:05 PM

The wheels look pretty off the car but on it, I'm not a fan

Other than that the car looks nice

wkohler · Post by **wkohler** » Jul 10, 2009 8:10 PM

RonP wrote:
Ron - looks good, but that wheel goes on the other side of the car.
Now you tell me! Purely for fitment purposes, but I did know already that you would bust my balls over it! As I was putting in the last bolt, I was thinking "some wiseguy will be giving me crap about the wheel being on the wrong side" ....probably Kohler!

The Hartge stripes came in either silver or anthricite. The car came with a sliver stripe, but I opted for the anthricite. I like the look.

Well, I'm nothing if not predictable. I like the anthrazit stripe, too.

DRP535 · Post by **DRP535** » Jul 10, 2009 11:24 PM

RonP wrote:The Hartge stripes came in either silver or anthricite. The car came with a sliver stripe, but I opted for the anthricite. I like the look.

Silver might have been the better choice I think. I didn't even notice there were stripes on there at all until you mentioned them. Couldn't see them in the photos because of too little contrast.

cj · Post by cj » Jul 11, 2009 7:43 PM

DRP535 wrote:
RonP wrote:The Hartge stripes came in either silver or anthricite. The car came with a sliver stripe, but I opted for the anthricite. I like the look.
Silver might have been the better choice I think. I didn't even notice there were stripes on there at all until you mentioned them. Couldn't see them in the photos because of too little contrast.

That could be the point. Less is more.

Cris

DRP535 · Post by **DRP535** » Jul 11, 2009 10:11 PM

cj wrote:
DRP535 wrote:
RonP wrote:The Hartge stripes came in either silver or anthricite. The car came with a sliver stripe, but I opted for the anthricite. I like the look.
Silver might have been the better choice I think. I didn't even notice there were stripes on there at all until you mentioned them. Couldn't see them in the photos because of too little contrast.
That could be the point. Less is more.

But when talking about this generation of cars understatement is the preserve of BMW's own ///M division models. The Hartge & Alpina variants were the extrovert models.

The ///M models were what you bought when you wanted to go quickly without shouting it to everyone within earshot. The Alpinas and Hartges were for when you wanted to go quickly and have everyone noticing you when you did.

Putting subtle stripes that are difficult to notice being there at all don't mesh with this philosophy. If you don't want them to be noticed, then you shouldn't put them there at all. The whole point of the stripes is to be noticed.

Son of a · Post by **Son of a** » Jul 11, 2009 10:45 PM

DRP535 wrote:The ///M models were what you bought when you wanted to go quickly without shouting it to everyone within earshot. The Alpinas and Hartges were for when you wanted to go quickly and have everyone noticing you when you did.

Putting subtle stripes that are difficult to notice being there at all don't mesh with this philosophy. If you don't want them to be noticed, then you shouldn't put them there at all. The whole point of the stripes is to be noticed.

I think those stripes will be noticed once you see the car sparkling in the sunlight. The less shiny (and small) Hartge Anthracite stripes will stand out and make the overall image of the car more striking in the sun. Not to mention, your Alpinas and Hartges were exotics and they were customizable, certainly Anthracite was less popular than silver, but it was an option.

frink84 · Post by **frink84** » Jul 11, 2009 11:14 PM

saw the hartge in person today. i likes the subtle stripes. didnt have the bling wheels on it though.

had to raid an aztec village (copyright 2009 by roni) and clean up some lady's crappy e30 instead of working on the hartge. oh well, fun times.

Dinan e28 · Post by **Dinan e28** » Jul 12, 2009 12:21 AM

frink84 wrote:saw the hartge in person today. i likes the subtle stripes. didnt have the bling wheels on it though.

had to raid an aztec village (copyright 2009 by roni) and clean up some lady's crappy e30 instead of working on the hartge. oh well, fun times.

Whats so bling about the wheels? I like them. I want them. I need them.

Adam W in MN · Post by **Adam W in MN** » Jul 12, 2009 9:31 AM

We should all probably wait to pass judgement until we have some exterior shots of the whole, completed car and not some close up test fitment shots. Ron always executes on these beautifully so let's see how it looks in the end.

RonP · Post by **RonP** » Jul 12, 2009 9:52 AM

We should all probably wait to pass judgement until we have some exterior shots of the whole, completed car and not some close up test fitment shots. Ron always executes on these beautifully so let's see how it looks in the end.

Thanks, Adam! I was a little suprised that this turned into a "grudge fest". I have had quite a few requests to show progress pics of the car and up until now have been happy to do so, but this kind of crap makes me want to continue on in secrecy.

cvillebimmer · Post by **cvillebimmer** » Jul 12, 2009 11:12 AM

Thanks for posting and please continue! It looks great.

cactusjacks1 · Post by **cactusjacks1** » Jul 12, 2009 11:46 AM

Ron - it looks like it is really beginning to take shape. Now your raising the bar on "Hartges", great job!!

EuroShark · Post by **EuroShark** » Jul 12, 2009 12:01 PM

This is looking incredible! The stripes, the wheels, the paint color... it's all going to play so well together. I'm sure the finished product will be the stuff of myE28.com wet dreams.

frink84 · Post by **frink84** » Jul 12, 2009 12:32 PM

Dinan e28 wrote: Whats so bling about the wheels? I like them. I want them. I need them.

i didnt mean bling in a bad way, i meant that he had it rolling on one-piece hartges that were not as amazingly beautiful as the 3-piece ones.

Mark 88/M5 Houston · Post by **Mark 88/M5 Houston** » Jul 12, 2009 12:47 PM

RonP wrote:
We should all probably wait to pass judgement until we have some exterior shots of the whole, completed car and not some close up test fitment shots. Ron always executes on these beautifully so let's see how it looks in the end.
Thanks, Adam! I was a little suprised that this turned into a "grudge fest". I have had quite a few requests to show progress pics of the car and up until now have been happy to do so, but this kind of crap makes me want to continue on in secrecy.

Ron,
I think you should ignore the negative and nit-picking comments and continue on with your "mind's eye image" of the restoration and final product.
Your restorations set the standards very high - don't compromise your standards or become distracted by comments from the "peanut gallery".
I think it looks great and can't wait to see the finished car.

Karl Grau · Post by **Karl Grau** » Jul 12, 2009 2:55 PM

RonP wrote:I was a little suprised that this turned into a "grudge fest". I have had quite a few requests to show progress pics of the car and up until now have been happy to do so, but this kind of crap makes me want to continue on in secrecy.

Maybe some people think this is the For Sale section

RonP · Post by **RonP** » Jul 12, 2009 3:17 PM

Maybe some people think this is the For Sale section

wkohler · Post by **wkohler** » Jul 12, 2009 3:18 PM

That car is looking great and I cannot wait to see more photos.

InkaCola · Post by **InkaCola** » Jul 12, 2009 5:55 PM

chim pum-callao wrote:curious as to what kind of hp this vehicle was making back in the day?

2nd time i ask this question and hopefully this time, it will not get ignored.

anybody have any kind of power figures for this car from back in the day?

Kyle in NO · Post by **Kyle in NO** » Jul 12, 2009 6:01 PM

On which day? If running properly, the car should produce the same amount of power every day.

RonP · Post by **RonP** » Jul 12, 2009 6:23 PM

The only thing I have ever seen published was when I had my first Hartge H5S back in 1984. They said it had 240 DIN. No one could decipher what DIN was back then, and that is all I know. What I can say is no matter what the brochure said, it was friggin FAST and would put your wallet in the back seat. Any questions?

2ndeagle · Post by **2ndeagle** » Jul 12, 2009 6:27 PM

RonP wrote:The only thing I have ever seen published was when I had my first Hartge H5S back in 1984. They said it had 240 DIN. No one could decipher what DIN was back then, and that is all I know. What I can say is no matter what the brochure said, it was friggin FAST and would put your wallet in the back seat. Any questions?

Is friggin FAST, faster than really FAST. If so, does that mean that unbelievably FAST is FASTER than super FAST?

cactusjacks1 · Post by **cactusjacks1** » Jul 12, 2009 6:34 PM

chim pum-callao wrote:
chim pum-callao wrote:curious as to what kind of hp this vehicle was making back in the day?
2nd time i ask this question and hopefully this time, it will not get ignored.

anybody have any kind of power figures for this car from back in the day?

Here ya go - quoting straight from a brochure printed in Germany 11/84...............

Hartge H5 s
Leistung 177 kW (240 PS) bei 5,900 UpM
Max. Drehmoment 335 Nm bei 4,100 Upm
Vmax 230 km/hr
0-100 km/h 6.8 sec

Post by **Nebraska_e28** » Jul 12, 2009 10:35 PM

RonP wrote:The only thing I have ever seen published was when I had my first Hartge H5S back in 1984. They said it had 240 DIN. No one could decipher what DIN was back then, and that is all I know. What I can say is no matter what the brochure said, it was friggin FAST and would put your wallet in the back seat. Any questions?

I know it's hard to compare, but would you say your H5S pulled as hard as (or harder) than a stock e34?

RonP wrote: What I can say is no matter what the brochure said, it was friggin FAST and would put your wallet in the back seat.

Hearing this would make it very tempting to build a motor comparable to this & not go FI for myself. That being said, can't wait to see the finished product & hope it'll be in person some day.

RonP · Post by **RonP** » Jul 12, 2009 10:52 PM

I know it's hard to compare, but would you say your H5S pulled as hard as (or harder) than a stock e34?

Stock e34 M5? No, it pulls harder.

Hearing this would make it very tempting to build a motor comparable to this & not go FI for myself. That being said, can't wait to see the finished product & hope it'll be in person some day.

The motor is n.a., has a 2.5/2.8 manifold with an L block and a distributor. Come on out!

Adam W in MN · Post by **Adam W in MN** » Jul 13, 2009 9:16 AM

Wow, 6600 views in this thread. There isn't any interest in this car AT ALL!!

RonP · Post by **RonP** » Jul 14, 2009 7:58 PM

Phil is assembling the motor now, so we hung some of the freshly powdercoated bling on it.

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