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Maytag: The Alpine '87 529i
Here.cek wrote:Aforementioned unplugged hole behind brake pedal into engine compartment.
I don't see where in RealOEM plugs for this might be...
http://realoem.com/bmw/partgrp.do?model ... g=51&fg=80
Thanks!waynet1 wrote:Here.cek wrote:Aforementioned unplugged hole behind brake pedal into engine compartment.
I don't see where in RealOEM plugs for this might be...
http://realoem.com/bmw/partgrp.do?model ... g=51&fg=80
New dog bones installed. That was surprisingly easy. Took 15 minutes. 
Well, here's a sucky conundrum.
Everytime I've driven the car since putting everything back together again, I've gotten 'low coolant'. Sure enough the overflow tank was low/empty.
The first 2 times I figured I had air in the system and it was just working its way out.
Then I got nervous.
There was no sign of a coolant leak; at least initially. I'm not blowing white smoke. It seemed like I had a slightly worse oil leak at the back of the engine than before, but no biggie.
Then I noticed that oil at the back of the engine was coolant, not oil.
Turns out when I re-installed the hoses on the heater control valve, the ends gave up the ghost and are now leaking. At higher RPM it squirts out, which explains why there was so little at idle/in the driveway. Maybe I tightened the clamps down too much?
The right thing to do is to replace the hoses that connect to the heater control valve. That looks like a bitch job. One goes to the back of the block! The other to the bottom connector for the heater core.
Suggestions for approaching this? How the hell do you reach the hose connection at the back of the engine?!?!?
Everytime I've driven the car since putting everything back together again, I've gotten 'low coolant'. Sure enough the overflow tank was low/empty.
The first 2 times I figured I had air in the system and it was just working its way out.
Then I got nervous.
There was no sign of a coolant leak; at least initially. I'm not blowing white smoke. It seemed like I had a slightly worse oil leak at the back of the engine than before, but no biggie.
Then I noticed that oil at the back of the engine was coolant, not oil.
Turns out when I re-installed the hoses on the heater control valve, the ends gave up the ghost and are now leaking. At higher RPM it squirts out, which explains why there was so little at idle/in the driveway. Maybe I tightened the clamps down too much?
The right thing to do is to replace the hoses that connect to the heater control valve. That looks like a bitch job. One goes to the back of the block! The other to the bottom connector for the heater core.
Suggestions for approaching this? How the hell do you reach the hose connection at the back of the engine?!?!?
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Kyle in NO
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That seems like it will work for getting the old one off. I can see the head of the nut on the clamp and see that I can get to it.Kyle in NO wrote:The one at the back of the cylinder head isn't bad. A long thin flathead screwdriver usually works fine.
However, getting a new hose on (assuming it is slightly undersized, which might be a bad assumption if I order OEM, which I have done).
Haven't ordered from Blunt before. For the hoses I decided it would be worth a try. The 3 hoses for the heater control valve and return to the thermostat should be here tomorrow.
The space between the firewall and the head on a m20b27 is WAY tighter than on a m30b34.
I am not looking forward to this job.
The space between the firewall and the head on a m20b27 is WAY tighter than on a m30b34.
I am not looking forward to this job.
Review:
- New timing belt (done)
- New water pump (done)
- Newish spark plugs (when I baselined Vlad, the plugs I pulled out were basically new; I used those).
- Cleaned injectors (done)
- Soda blasted valve cover (done)
- New radiator hoses (done)
- Cleaned up thermostat and ICV wiring (done)
- Cleaned throttle (done)
- R&R'd heater fan (done)
- R&R'd heater control valve (new solenoid kit) (done)
- Replace headlamps (done)
- Tidy up engine bay with zip-ties etc... (done)
- Pull out old alarm (done)
- Install (temporary) BBS RX wheels (done)
- Replace dog-bones/pitman arms (done)
- Replace all heater/cooling hoses
- Fix surging idle (coolant temp sensor?)
- Replace right front wheel bearing
- Fix radio
- Fix battery run down
- Find a trunk carpet set
- Fix head rests (in-op)
- Install new front rotors & pads
- Mount Conti DW tires on Style 8's
Got the hoses that go to the heater control valve and the return hose from the heater core to the water pump. The rest of the hoses will come later.
I started loosening the clamp on the return hose at the water pump and then noticed that it looks like theres little or no way a new hose will go on without either removing the intake manifold or the thermostat housing.
Does anyone know if, on a m20b27 in an '87 528e whether the water hose (specifically the return hose from the heater core) can be put on with out removing either the intake manifold or thermostat housing?
I started loosening the clamp on the return hose at the water pump and then noticed that it looks like theres little or no way a new hose will go on without either removing the intake manifold or the thermostat housing.
Does anyone know if, on a m20b27 in an '87 528e whether the water hose (specifically the return hose from the heater core) can be put on with out removing either the intake manifold or thermostat housing?
As I figured, getting the hose off the back of the head was easy...and getting the new one on is impossible.
There's just no room to even get it started, let enough room to apply enough pressure to get it on the nipple.
Between this and the previously mentioned return tube, I think I need to pull the intake manifold off. Which I started doing when I was doing the timing belt...but stopped because THEN I'd have to pull off a bunch of hoses like water hoses :-).
I really was hoping I was going to just be able to replace these three hoses tonight, get the car back on the road and then do the rest at my leisure. But now I think I have no choice but to dive in and rip the intake manifold off. Oh, joy.
I have new manifold gaskets. What don't I have that I'm going to want once I've got it off?
There's just no room to even get it started, let enough room to apply enough pressure to get it on the nipple.
Between this and the previously mentioned return tube, I think I need to pull the intake manifold off. Which I started doing when I was doing the timing belt...but stopped because THEN I'd have to pull off a bunch of hoses like water hoses :-).
I really was hoping I was going to just be able to replace these three hoses tonight, get the car back on the road and then do the rest at my leisure. But now I think I have no choice but to dive in and rip the intake manifold off. Oh, joy.
I have new manifold gaskets. What don't I have that I'm going to want once I've got it off?
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I don't doubt you.Kyle in NO wrote:It can be done. Worst case you can move that big wire harness and grab the hose with LONG needle nose pliers and work it on. I've done it.
But I became convinced since I needed to replace ALL the water hoses it would just be better to pull the intake manifold off...
Now I'm stuck.
The middle top stud on the intake side is too long to pull the manifold off. All the other studs are short enough to allow the manifold to clear when pulled away from the head, but because of the dipstick tube and the auto transmission disptick tube, the manifold won't separate any further. It needs to go about 1" further, but if I pull any harder I'm going to bend/break the dipstick tube.
This one stud is longer than the rest. In the part's diagram it's #19 (M8x70) while the others are M8x40. I've tried getting a pair of nuts on it, tight enough to pull the stud, but I can't get it due to lack of access to the end of the stud.
http://www.realoem.com./bmw/showparts.d ... g=11&fg=15
Has anyone fought with this before and have a tip?
Victory. Taking the break to type that response let me re-think getting two nuts on the stud. I was able to get a wrench in there and tighten them together enough to pull the stud.
Now, since I have to wait a few days for my other hoses to arrive, I can take the time to clean everything up nicely. I'll cover the intake ports and clean the side of the block. And I'll soda blast the intake.
Now, since I have to wait a few days for my other hoses to arrive, I can take the time to clean everything up nicely. I'll cover the intake ports and clean the side of the block. And I'll soda blast the intake.
Whew. Lots to report.
I spent the evening putting everything back together again. It all went smoothly except when I forgot to put the fuel rail & injectors in before putting the manifold back on and then had to squeeze them in there.
With some trepidation I re-filled the coolant as the last step before starting her.
Immediately, before even starting the car, I heard drip-drip-drip in the catch pan under the car. Sure enough it was leaking from the heater control valve! What. The. Frak?!?
I got under the car and used a flashlight to look up at the connections. There's no way it could be leaking from my new hoses! I started wondering if the housing had cracked.
Then I noticed water was coming out of the little holes in the bottom of the top part of the valve.
Sigh. I pulled the airbox off again, got setup to let coolant drain (again), and pulled the heater control valve out to look at it.
I noticed the metal plunger was sticking way out. When I opened it up I could see that if this was the case, water would leak around the diaphragm. I got the old solenoid out and noticed it still had a washer on it. I transplanted it to the new solenoid and when I re-assembled the unit I made sure the plunger was pushed in as far as possible.
You old-timers are probably laughing your asses off at me by now. I just replaced all my heater hoses, removing my intake manifold in the process, busting several knuckles, and making my wife wonder if she's still married to me...all for naught.
Oh well, at least I have the confidence of knowing the hoses are all good, and I have sexy clean engine.
Of course I could be wrong about this and the damn thing could start leaking after my next drive.
On another note, the surging idle was not rectified by all my work either (I did nothing specific to try to fix it, other than putting in a new temp sensor; I was hoping that maybe I'd seal somthing up in the process of doing everything).
I was watching it surge and I wondered what would happen if I pinched the hose that goes from the throttle to the ICV.
When pinched she idles PERFECTLY.
What does this mean?
I spent the evening putting everything back together again. It all went smoothly except when I forgot to put the fuel rail & injectors in before putting the manifold back on and then had to squeeze them in there.
With some trepidation I re-filled the coolant as the last step before starting her.
Immediately, before even starting the car, I heard drip-drip-drip in the catch pan under the car. Sure enough it was leaking from the heater control valve! What. The. Frak?!?
I got under the car and used a flashlight to look up at the connections. There's no way it could be leaking from my new hoses! I started wondering if the housing had cracked.
Then I noticed water was coming out of the little holes in the bottom of the top part of the valve.
Sigh. I pulled the airbox off again, got setup to let coolant drain (again), and pulled the heater control valve out to look at it.
I noticed the metal plunger was sticking way out. When I opened it up I could see that if this was the case, water would leak around the diaphragm. I got the old solenoid out and noticed it still had a washer on it. I transplanted it to the new solenoid and when I re-assembled the unit I made sure the plunger was pushed in as far as possible.
You old-timers are probably laughing your asses off at me by now. I just replaced all my heater hoses, removing my intake manifold in the process, busting several knuckles, and making my wife wonder if she's still married to me...all for naught.
Oh well, at least I have the confidence of knowing the hoses are all good, and I have sexy clean engine.
Of course I could be wrong about this and the damn thing could start leaking after my next drive.
On another note, the surging idle was not rectified by all my work either (I did nothing specific to try to fix it, other than putting in a new temp sensor; I was hoping that maybe I'd seal somthing up in the process of doing everything).
I was watching it surge and I wondered what would happen if I pinched the hose that goes from the throttle to the ICV.
When pinched she idles PERFECTLY.
What does this mean?
Probably means that the screw on the ICV is screwed up and it's letting way too much air in. You're the new ICV.
Funny you mention that on the heater valve. Same thing happened to a friend's M30 valve. I gave him another one. Will have to get that one back from him and do some forensic disassembly.
I'm having a hell of a time staying awake reading this thread. Those pictures of that eta manifold put me right to sleep. I fell asleep once in a yard. Opened the hood on a car to see what it was, saw that manifold and just zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
Funny you mention that on the heater valve. Same thing happened to a friend's M30 valve. I gave him another one. Will have to get that one back from him and do some forensic disassembly.
I'm having a hell of a time staying awake reading this thread. Those pictures of that eta manifold put me right to sleep. I fell asleep once in a yard. Opened the hood on a car to see what it was, saw that manifold and just zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
